Tatterdemalion: The Lunar Province of Secunda

Post » Tue May 08, 2012 4:18 am

Failed conquest of the Underworld? I keep hearing about this "Underworld." Is it Sovngarde?

I soooo wanted to be able to see Nirna in the sky while I vanquished Ald.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 4:40 pm

Could Sovngarde be Secunda?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:28 am

Could Sovngarde be Secunda?
Nah, quote says that he failed at conquering the underworld and hence moved on to the moons.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:55 pm

I wasn't even aware Nirn had an underworld.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:48 pm

It can't mean the Dreamsleeve, can it?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:55 pm

Nah, quote says that he failed at conquering the underworld and hence moved on to the moons.
So we can assume that Sovngarde and the Underworld are the same place?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:46 pm

So we can assume that Sovngarde and the Underworld are the same place?
Personally, I'm not sure about Sovngarde as the Underworld. It makes sense if you take the Underworld to mean "afterlife," but symbolically and mythically its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld. If we take http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism#Afterlife Sovengarde is Valhalla, and the "underworld" would logically be more akin to Helheim. Though I personally associate the word with the Greco-Roman Hades instead.

Anyway, standard disclaimer: I'm just guessing.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:06 pm

Personally, I'm not sure about Sovngarde as the Underworld. It makes sense if you take the Underworld to mean "afterlife," but symbolically and mythically its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underworld. If we take http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_in_Norse_paganism#Afterlife Sovengarde is Valhalla, and the "underworld" would logically be more akin to Helheim. Though I personally associate the word with the Greco-Roman Hades instead.

Anyway, standard disclaimer: I'm just guessing.
The only sources that even mention the Underworld are Five Songs of King Wulfharth and Varieties of Faith in the Empire and both only reference the Underworld in relation to Shor. It was my guess that Shor is trapped in the Underworld, which he remade to become his personal realm of Sovngarde. Indeed Varieties of Faith defines Shor as the God of the Underworld, implying that he has control of the place. In this fashion he remade the the realm using CHIM or lent-bone creation to change it from Hel or Nifhel to Valhalla or some form of Asgard. If we had to make a direct comparison, I'd say that Sovngarde is Asgard with Shor's Hall being Valhalla and the Dreamsleeve being Yggdrasil.
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