TESIV:POSItive -Performance & Optimization Info : IV - Oblivion

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:05 pm

Looks Good on there..one thing tho...no onboard sound here, from above Post this is sound card..."ASUS Xonar D2 Audio Device".

IF your ever in a fight with 20-30 People you will soon know just how necessary a real sound card is. Hearing that many voices and Fight sounds without stutters is Well worth the Expense of a card like this.
Also the Positional Audio really does help with the Immersion..Turning to hear someone from Behind or to the Side is Great.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:16 pm

Looks Good on there..one thing tho...no onboard sound here, from above Post this is sound card..."ASUS Xonar D2 Audio Device".

IF your ever in a fight with 20-30 People you will soon know just how necessary a real sound card is. Hearing that many voices and Fight sounds without stutters is Well worth the Expense of a card like this.
Also the Positional Audio really does help with the Immersion..Turning to hear someone from Behind or to the Side is Great.

Gotcha...updating now. I cleaned the site up a bit for more consistency and coherence.

Edit: Why are you using Quiet Feet MAX? Also, do you want me to add that little blurb about your card too?

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:34 pm

Gotcha...updating now. I cleaned the site up a bit for more consistency and coherence.

Edit: Why are you using Quiet Feet MAX? Also, do you want me to add that little blurb about your card too?

In the Begining I had Major stuttering. (before finding OSR) .Installed quiet feet and never removed it . I look at it this way, till I get a better Video card I'll take the help with extra FPS the Feet mod gives. as for the Extra Blurb....most don't realize how much a sound card really does free up your CPU to do other things Like the AI. this is a Rare Mother board doesen't even come with ONboard Sound....they needed room for Important things. They give you a Creative X-FI PCI-E 1 Sound card. Also this Board does Both nvidiaSLI and ATI Crossfire . Think thats why they needed the Room...lol

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:35 pm

Since you have a sound card, the processing for sound file is primarily done there, so removing Quiet Feet MAX should not really affect your system's performance. I also tell everyone to invest the $25 for some sort of sound card. Any card will make a difference, honestly.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:58 pm

Since you have a sound card, the processing for sound file is primarily done there, so removing Quiet Feet MAX should not really affect your system's performance. I also tell everyone to invest the $25 for some sort of sound card. Any card will make a difference, honestly.

Ok then We can add that to my TO-Do list... And that was enough Off topic for me... as first off this is a thread about PyFFI and I have yet to do that. Also Cleaning Mods with TES4 Edit.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:10 pm

All of that can be found on the "Tuning Oblivion" page.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:53 pm

As Per TomLong's Request.

Game Performance.
Average Playtime without a Crash: 3 to 4 hours. or more. Somtimes as much as six, and then I get a memory related crash. Depending on what I am doing, I can go longer.
Average FPS, Cities: Generally around 40-50, depending on area. IC Waterfront during the day is generally about 45.
Average FPS, Other: Capped at 60 by OSR. Regardless of how many folks are around.

System Specs
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 @ 3.4ghz.
GPU ATI HD 4890 1gb RAM
Sound: Sound Blaster Audigy 2 (yes, it has hardware acceleration on the card.)
System RAM: 4gb.
Operating System: XP Pro 64 bit

Load List

Spoiler

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
04 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.5.5b4]
05 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
06 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
07 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
08 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
09 Shivering OOO.esp
0A MOBS SI.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
0B MOBS SI Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.2.2a]
0C Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
0D Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
0E Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
0F Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
10 FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
11 FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
12 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
13 Lock Bash Omega.esp [Version 1.5]
14 RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
15 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
16 RAEVWD Imperial City.esp [Version 1.7]
17 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
18 Harvest[Containers].esp
19 Living Economy - SI.esp
1A Living Economy - Items.esp
1B sr_super_hotkeys.esp
1C DLCHorseArmor.esp
1D DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
1E DLCOrrery.esp
1F DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
20 DLCSpellTomes.esp
21 DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
22 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
23 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
24 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
25 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
26 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
27 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
28 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
29 FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2A Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2B Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2C Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2D Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2E Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
2F Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
30 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.5.5b4]
31 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.5.5b3]
32 FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
34 FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
36 FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp [Version 0.9.9]
37 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
38 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
39 BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp
3A DLCFrostcrag.esp
3B DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
3C Knights.esp
3D Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
3E FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
3F Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
40 Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
41 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
42 RealisticForceMedium.esp
43 RealisticMagicForceMedium.esp
44 sr_spell_deletion.esp
45 Advanced Magecraft.esp
46 Enchantment Enhanced.esp
47 attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
48 StealthOverhaul.esp
49 DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp
4A Duke Patricks Near Miss Arrow Shot Alerts The Target.esp
4B Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
4C Intelligence Overhaul (No Book Changes).esp
4D SniperSneakSkillup.esp
4E Toaster's Legendary Skills.esp [Version 3.44]
4F Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
50 bgMagicEV.esp [Version 1.7EV]
51 bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp [Version 1.68EV]
52 bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp [Version 1.68EV]
53 bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp [Version 1.68EV]
54 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
55 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
56 SM_DLCSpellTome.esp [Version 0.80]
57 SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
58 SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
59 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
5A SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
5B SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
5C bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp [Version 1.5]
5D Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp
5E bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
5F X-Ray Detect.esp
60 NO_Recoil_Stagger.esp
61 MouseWheelDisable.esp
62 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
63 JQ&DM-ScriptedBackpacks.esp
64 vjHealthMod.esp [Version 1]
65 Duke Patricks Script Effect Silencer.esp

Also:
Elys Uncapper
Oblivion Stutter Remover
Conscribe
Pluggy
Fast Exit 2

Large Address Aware patch.

No texture mods as yet. That's next.

I was originally a morrowind player, so, a fair number of my mods are geared toward giving more of a 'morrowindesque' experience. I am also a big fan of stealth, so, that is why those are there. I have been working on this for a couple years, and the above list is what I consider "standard" now. I just recently built this machine, so, am still adding mods one or two at a time, to fill it out. The vanilla magic system was pretty useless.... so, that got changed as well. At this point, the 'game mechanics' list is fairly complete. I may yet add in a few of the Duke's mods.... they tend to make combat FAR more challenging. (but I am not really a melee kind of guy.) I am waiting for the next version of Unnecessary Violence to come out.

The game runs VERY well, and is quite stable. I had one issue with the Paranoia Quest, (Glarthir) that I have yet to sort out, for now, I am just not dealing with him. I can generally play for as long as I want, and do not crash until such time as I hit the memory cap, and then I am back to the desktop. So far, I have about 76 hours on my current incarnation, and have not experienced any insurmountable problems. Even in cities, during peak crowd times, FPS is smooth, and eminently playable. I have had outdoor encounters with as many as 20 goblins, (or maybe more..... took me a while before I ran out of them....) and combat was smooth, with no stutters, even with six of them 'in my face', and casters standing back pounding me with spells. All in all, I am VERY pleased with the current setup. Textures I think are next. After having a chat with Albertine, and seeing some of his screenies..... (which are awesome by the way) It has become an irresistible urge. I am going to blame that one squarely on him. (her? I don't know....)

In case you are wondering why the backpacks mod is after the bashed patch.... that's so my backpack actually shows up on my avatar. I use the Unlimited Rings/Amulets feature of Wrye Bash, and that 'breaks' my amulet slot backpack so it doesn't show up. (probably a better way to address that, but, this method works just fine.)

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:31 pm

Sweet! Thank you for this. If you want me to update your page with links to screen shots or anything, just post a quick update here, and I will get to it. I will add a page for you in a few...

Thanks again!
- Tomlong75210

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:08 pm

New Load Order Pages:

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/camaro-69_327

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/fearil

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/heyyou

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:47 pm

After having a chat with Albertine, and seeing some of his screenies..... (which are awesome by the way) It has become an irresistible urge. I am going to blame that one squarely on him. (her? I don't know....)

Hey! I won't have you questioning my CLEARLY MALE name! Just because I yoinked it from a peg-legged granny doesn't mean it's any less masculine. :ahhh: :eek:

And apparently there are several choices for Texture overhauls, make sure you check them all out before deciding squarely on Qarl's.

» Thu Jan 27, 2011 2:13 am

:rofl:

Ok, Male it is.

Installed QTP3 Redimized, and also the Enhanced vegetation mod. And then spent a few hours dungeon diving..... I didn't notice if there was a hit to framerate... the game still runs VERY smooth.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:31 am

New Load Order Pages:

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/camaro-69_327

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/fearil

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/heyyou

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/bladeofmercy

» Thu Jan 27, 2011 3:25 am

Greetings!

A couple of things, really. First of all, I want to say thanks again for all of your help. Like I posted over on Blade Of Mercy's 50 Steps thread, I couldn't have gotten things set up and running this well without all the help from you and everyone that has contributed. I found that thread first and started there, but have been using your site frequently to get even more detail and learn more of the ins and outs. It's been a very educational couple of weeks, and I have a stable FCOM build as a result... who can complain?

Seriously, I have moved almost completely out of trouble-shooting mode and am just enjoying the game. For the most part.... lol. Now that I'm not stressing about how I installed Oblivion and all the mods, I am moving on to performance tweaking. And I think I need a very small ($25) improvement that is prominently displayed on your site in a number of places, but I just wanted to run it by you real quick to see what you think.

Basically, I think I am stuck with just the wrong processor for this. I have an AMD X2 4200+, 2.2GHz. I've always been a fan of AMD, but I think this is one place where their slower frequencies are really hurting me (realative to Intel, that is). My video card is more than up to the task I think: nVidia 9800GT w/ 1GB DDR. It's a Windows XP SP3 machine with 3GB OCZ RAM.

When in game, things run very well as long as there aren't too many other actors around. But as soon as I come up on, say, a group of 8 or 10 smugglers, or even worse, a dozen or so dremora in a room in an Oblivion tower, things really slow down. Sometimes down to under 10 FPS, which is approaching unplayable. OSR is doing a good job... it tries very hard to keep things smooth, and generally succeeds. But when it gets that slow, well, under 10 FPS speaks for itself.

So, after reading a bunch on optimization and performance, I think I have determined that AI and scripting are what's killing me. First question: does that sound like a reasonable assessment to you?

If that's really the case, I'm in a bit of a predicament... it just doesn't make sense to spend any money on upgrading the processor in this machine. So it would appear that I am now limited to things that will reduce the load on my CPU, and hopefully give it more juice when it needs to run those scripts. The one thing I don't have? A sound card. So, I am thinking about running out and getting a mid-level card this weekend... not just for this, but also for... OK, OK, it's just for this. But I'm not looking to get something ridiculous, just enough to give my poor CPU a break. Second question: I am not looking for miracles, but considering I have nothing now and what I have told you about the symptoms, do you think I could expect to see some improvement?

That's the size of it. Thanks again for all the help you've provided, both here and on your site. It is invaluable!
veg

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:10 pm

Your assessment is very accurate. Upgrading your CPU would definitely help. I would not upgrade to anything less than a 2.8GHz processor though. You really do not need to upgrade your card. If you want to upgrade everything go ahead, but the CPU should make the largest difference. Remember, upgrading your CPU may require a MOBO upgrade as well, so you do not have to worry about not spending money... If you do not have a sound card, that is a cheap upgrade that can make a significant difference too. (The $25 investment.) That is plenty of money spent, haha.

Edit: I love OCZ by the way.

Edit: Albertine has created a compact but impressive guide that focuses on optimization, and it is particularly useful for NVIDIA users, since that is the type of card he uses. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1081188-guide-how-to-smooth-pc-oblivion-fps/

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:21 pm

Remember, upgrading your CPU may require a MOBO upgrade as well, so you do not have to worry about not spending money...

Yep, that's it on the head. At this stage of this machine's life, it's much more efficient to replace than to upgrade. Can't see forking out the cash needed on a new MOBO and CPU for this thing (well, for high enough quality parts that would make it worth the effort, anyway).

If you do not have a sound card, that is a cheap upgrade that can make a significant difference too. (The $25 investment.) That is plenty of money spent, haha.

That's what I'm thinking now. And I'm not after any particular features, just want to reduce the CPU's load a bit. So a cheap old mid- (or even low- ) grade card really is all that's needed. I think anything more would just be adding features I won't use, or last I checked that was the case. It's been some time since I was up w/ sound card technology. Somehow, that one just slipped by me.

Edit: I love OCZ by the way.

You know, I've always preferred Corsair (and I'll still buy it in a heartbeat if the price is right). But I bought 3 GB of OCZ Reaper HPC and have been really, really impressed. It's as good as Corsair IMHO. I won't go as far as better, but they are right there together.

Edit: Albertine has created a compact but impressive guide that focuses on optimization, and it is particularly useful for NVIDIA users, since that is the type of card he uses. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1081188-guide-how-to-smooth-pc-oblivion-fps/

Will do. Thanks a million, once again. FWIW, my rig is not on par with these other machines, but I don't think I'm asking quite as much out of mine right now as some of the other load orders posted on your site. If you like, I could put together some info similar to what you've been collecting, especially once I get the sound card in. Might be useful for someone else with a machine like mine... capable of running FCOM and many other mods, but getting old enough that you've got to make some choices here and there.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:57 pm

I would love to host your load order. If you want to give me the information now, I can update your page later whenever you want to have it updated. Did you check out those few builds I priced out on my site? If you have other configurations you would like to discuss, ask away. I love planning on building system (even if most plans do not get moved from my wish lists into my cart.) I think checking up on new hardware specs and price changes is fun, anyway.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:19 pm

I would love to host your load order. If you want to give me the information now, I can update your page later whenever you want to have it updated. Did you check out those few builds I priced out on my site? If you have other configurations you would like to discuss, ask away. I love planning on building system (even if most plans do not get moved from my wish lists into my cart.) I think checking up on new hardware specs and price changes is fun, anyway.

Ask, and ye shall receive... ha, ha! Here's my load order and some quick specs. I'll get more detail together over the weekend, and hopefully have slightly better results to report after spending $25! And no, I haven't yet looked at those spec'd out machines, but I will. I used to be so into hardware myself... where did the love go? lol

Anyway, here's the starter info. Thanks again!

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2.2Ghz
3 GB OCZ Reaper HPC 6400
160 GB SATA2 HDD (almost exclusively applications)
2 X 500 GB external HDDs (everything else)
nVidia 9800GT, 1 GB DDR3
Windows XP Pro SP3

Average playing time before CTD: 2 - 3 hours, depending. Sometimes much longer (and occasionally shorter)
FPS data: will update, but for now generally mid 20's minimum, up to 30* (OSR cap). The exception is when I have lots of AI to deal with... can dip under 10 FPS! yuck... working on that now.

* - that's an edit. I had 60 in there for some reason, incorrectly. I am using OSR's default 30 FPS cap.

Load order:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
02 Jog_X_Mod.esm
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.34]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 VASE - core.esm
09 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0A FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB3]
0B Armamentarium.esm [Version 1.35]
0C Artifacts.esm [Version 1.1]
0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0E NNWAEMaster.esm
0F CM Partners.esm
10 HorseCombatMaster.esm
11 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.4]
12 UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
13 Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
14 DLCShiveringIsles.esp [Version 1.4.0]
++ Shivering OOO.esp
15 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
16 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
17 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
18 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9]
19 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9]
** LoadingScreens.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1A WindowLightingSystem.esp
1B Adonnays Ranger Coats.esp
1C Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp
1D Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp
1E ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
1F RAEVWD Cities.esp [Version 1.7]
20 RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.5]
++ RealWalk.esp
21 Reznod_Mannequin.esp
22 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
23 DLCHorseArmor.esp
24 DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.5]
25 DLCOrrery.esp
26 DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.3]
27 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
28 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.4]
++ MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
29 Adonnays Elven Weaponry.esp
++ ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp
2A BlackLuster.esp
++ playable golden saint and dark seducer armour.esp
2B Slof's Boners! v5.esp
2C Thieves Arsenal.esp
2D XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp
** Armamentium female.esp
2E KDCircletsOOOOptimized - NPC Equip.esp [Version 1.2]
++ FCOM_KDCircletsOOOOptimizedNPCEquip.esp [Version 0.9.9]
2F Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp
30 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
31 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
32 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
++ FCOM_Cobl.esp [Version 0.9.9]
33 Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
34 FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9]
35 Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp
++ FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp [Version 0.9.9]
36 Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
37 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB3]
38 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.34]
++ OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp [Version 0.5]
++ OMOBS.esp [Version 1.0]
++ OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 1.0]
39 OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp [Version 1.0]
3A ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp [Version 1.35]
3B Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3C FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
3D FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9]
3E Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ FCOM_SaferRoads.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_LessRats.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
3F Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
40 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
41 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
42 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
43 Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ VASE - Cyrodiil for MMM.esp
++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.7b3p3]
++ TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp [Version 1.40Alpha]
44 TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
45 TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
46 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_HungersUnitySI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_Archery.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_Armamentarium.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_Artifacts.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_RealSwords.esp
++ FCOM_Archery_MMM_H&C.esp
++ ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp [Version 2.01]
++ ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp [Version 1.35]
++ Fransfemale.esp
** LoadingScreens-OOO.esp
47 Geomancy & Gem Dust OOO.esp
48 OOO-WaterFish.esp [Version 1.34]
++ EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp
49 Artifacts.esp [Version 1.1]
++ Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp [Version 1.0]
4A HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.2]
4B Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++ Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
4C Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
4D GlenvarCastle.esp
4E LostSwordOfTheAylied.esp
4F LostSwordOfTheAylied - OBSE Add-On.esp
50 Malevolent.esp
51 MountainTower.esp [Version 6.0]
52 NNWAREAyleidDungeons_Series1EV.esp [Version 2.2]
53 NNWARE06-RhyeliaEmeroEV.esp
54 NNWAEDungeons-Series2EV.esp
55 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.3]
56 TheForgottenShields.esp
57 thievery.esp
58 thievery - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
59 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
5A Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
5B Apachii_Heroes_Store.esp
5C DLCfrostcrag.esp
5D FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
5E Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
5F CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
60 TOTF.esp
61 The Lost Spires.esp
62 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
63 MannimarcoRevisited.esp
64 MannimarcoRevisitedOOO.esp [Version 0.1]
65 bartholm.esp
66 bartholm - EE patch.esp [Version 1.0]
67 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
68 Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
69 AutoBookPlacer.esp
6A Bag of Holding.esp [Version 1.5.0]
6B DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
6C EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp
6D P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]
6E Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
++ Short Grass V3.esp
6F Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp [Version 3.1.1]
70 Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp [Version 1.0]
71 Quest Award Leveller.esp [Version 2.0.1]
++ Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp [Version 2.1.0]
72 StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.esp
73 StarX VVR_OOO Patch.esp
74 SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.90]
75 SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]
++ SM_OOO.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_MMM.esp [Version 0.89]
++ SM_COBL.esp [Version 0.86]
76 SM_EnchantStaff.esp [Version 0.80]
++ SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]
++ SM_Scrolls.esp [Version 0.84]
++ SM_SigilStone.esp [Version 0.83]
77 MidasSpells.esp
78 Multiple Enchantments.esp
79 attack and hide medium v2.1.esp
7A Deadlier Sneaking 1.1.esp
7B Deadly Reflex Bow Sway.esp
7C Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
7D Grandmaster of Alchemy.esp
7E Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
7F CTAddPose_osr1.esp
80 CTAddPose_osr2.esp
81 CTAddPose_osr3.esp
82 actors_in_charge.esp
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Item interchange - Option, Ingredients in Bulk.esp [Version 0.78]
83 CM Partners.esp
84 CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
85 CM Partners NPC.esp
86 CM Partners More NPCs.esp
87 CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
88 CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
89 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
** Cobl Races TNR.esp [Version 1.53]
** Cobl Races TNR SI.esp [Version 1.53]
++ TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.esp
++ EVE_KhajiitFix.esp
8A TheOubliette.esp
8B Get Wet.esp
8C Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
8D DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
++ SM_DeadlyReflex.esp [Version 0.86]
8E Bashed Patch, 0.esp
8F SWalk.esp
90 FormID Finder4.esp
91 Streamline 3.1.esp

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:34 pm

Believe it or not, by the way he goes on about his new performance, he was having issues dropping down to 10FPS too. I do not have an NVIDIA card (or a desktop at the moment) but that guide should be able to squeeze something out of your machine. I do not think he even has a sound card: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine.

Edit: Do you want to put a title and description on that? It is not required, but there are already three "Untitled" pages...

...it can be really uncreative, really...

Edit: Oh, yeah, I am putting your page together, haha. Have you installed Quiet Feet MAX? Are you not running any mods that do not have ESPs? Which version of OSR are you using?

Edit: Nice LO by the way, especially for your rig. That additional NPC Vars MMM plugin is not recommended for use with FCOM (unless you have a really beefy setup.) Looting NPCs & Creatures adds to the AI package processing load too. You may want to try removing these two and see if the 10 FPS drop occurs less frequently.

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:25 pm

Believe it or not, by the way he goes on about his new performance, he was having issues dropping down to 10FPS too. I do not have an NVIDIA card (or a desktop at the moment) but that guide should be able to squeeze something out of your machine. I do not think he even has a sound card: http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine.

Edit: Do you want to put a title and description on that? It is not required, but there are already three "Untitled" pages...

...it can be really uncreative, really...

Yes, I was just reading his thread (thanks again for the link!) And I believe I have picked up a couple of things that will help... perhaps a little. My machine pales in comparison where CPU and RAM are concerned, but on a 32-bit XP machine, more than 3 GB is really kind of pointless anyway, and not just WRT Oblivion. But that's neither here nor there, really. Hmmm, maybe if I get a sound card I can rival his stats! Ha!

Untitled is no good at all. FCOM has been the central focus of my entire endeavor here, so it should definitely reference that. How about something to the effect of "Running FCOM+ on an Aging Machine"?

Description: After being away from Oblivion for the better part of 6 months, the itch finally became too unbearable and I set out to play again. But I didn't want to play just Vanilla Oblivion, or even a heavily modded version... no, I wanted to play FCOM. I mean, who wouldn't? It looks amazing! Or at least that's what I thought 6 months ago. Then I tried (half-heartedly) to install and run it, got incredibly frustrated, and gave up... for 6 months!

So the itch finally returned, and I got back on the forums, and slowly but surely started piecing together a plan to try again. With a lot of help, and a good deal of patience (that's a big one as far as I'm concerned), I was much more successful this time, and on the exact same machine I failed with before. That's big in my case, because I do not have a very good processor for Oblivion. As I have learned, Oblivion hits my CPU harder than anything else on my machine. Making matters worse, I have a dual core, but its frequency is relatively low (2.2Ghz), and that's what really matters here. So, not the best situation for what I wanted...

And yet, I am playing FCOM on this machine now, and it is awesome! It took some choices on my part (for example, I really like having buildings and landmarks and such visible in the distance... but combining that with Better Cities, well, that was asking too much. Had to make a choice there). So here is some info on my machine, and my current load order. I'll have more to add soon.

How's that?
veg

» Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:16 am

Beautiful. I will start updating now. All that is left is the OBSE plugins list, no-ESPs mod list and the version of OBSE you are using...

» Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:12 am

Edit: Oh, yeah, I am putting your page together, haha. Have you installed Quiet Feet MAX? Are you not running any mods that do not have ESPs? Which version of OSR are you using?

I have installed Quiet Feet MAX. And yes, I do have some replacers that don't have ESPs (I believe)... I'll get a more complete list together beyond just the load order. OSR is version 4.1.0.

Edit: Nice LO by the way, especially for your rig. That additional NPC Vars MMM plugin is not recommended for use with FCOM (unless you have a really beefy setup.) Looting NPCs & Creatures adds to the AI package processing load too. You may want to try removing these two and see if the 10 FPS drop occurs less frequently.

Thanks! And those are two very good catches there. I actually remember reading something about NPC Vars possibly being a hit and totally forgot about it. I'll try that and see how it does.

Just got that last post.... OBSE is v18 beta 6. I'll get the lists together for you next, though that may be tomorrow. I'm getting angry looks from my significant other at the moment (lol)... we're um, supposed to be spending some time together... man, I always get in trouble this way! Ha!

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:35 pm

Update to the stable version of OBSE v18 when you get some free time then...no rush!

New Load Order Pages:

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/albertine

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/camaro-69_327

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/fearil

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/heyyou

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/bladeofmercy

http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/runoblivion/loadorders/vegtabill

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 6:50 pm

Edit: Nice LO by the way, especially for your rig. That additional NPC Vars MMM plugin is not recommended for use with FCOM (unless you have a really beefy setup.) Looting NPCs & Creatures adds to the AI package processing load too. You may want to try removing these two and see if the 10 FPS drop occurs less frequently.

OK, you know I had to try this before calling it a night... and I did, at the risk of banishment to the doghouse! Heh, heh... just kidding, I think...

Seriously though, these two items seem so obvious now, but I would have gone on indefinitely without thinking of either one. I went ahead and disabled/un-merged both, and lo and behold...

I went into Sercen in god mode, just to see. I figured there would be plenty of NPCs in there. And there were. I picked a fight with all of them, 11 total. Never dipped below 10 FPS, not one time! Now, during the thick of it, it pretty much stayed in the 10 - 14 FPS range (I have some screens of the fight, FPS 10, 11, and 13, I think). But that is a big improvement! And as they started dropping off, it gradual improved back up into the low 20s, at which point there really isn't any noticeable slowdown at all. When I was experiencing dips below 10 FPS before, I wasn't even in combat with all of the NPCs in question, and the numbers were usually in the 6 - 8 range, not 10+ (with the exception of the Oblivion towers I mentioned before... man, I guess it's OOO? but wow, they really like to pile those guys up in some of those little rooms! Oblivion was dangerous before, but wow, is it a whole new ballgame now! but I digress...)

Anyway, I'll have more for you tomorrow, but I wanted to let you know that your suggestion was spot-on once again!

» Wed Jan 26, 2011 3:40 pm

Cool! Post your updated load order here tomorrow with your latest info, haha.

Good night!
- Tomlong75210

» Thu Jan 27, 2011 4:29 am

Since you have a sound card, the processing for sound file is primarily done there, so removing Quiet Feet MAX should not really affect your system's performance. I also tell everyone to invest the $25 for some sort of sound card. Any card will make a difference, honestly.

A minor nitpick: It needs to be capable of hardware acceleration before it will truly help. It's debatable if many of those cheap $25 cards do.

And if you wouldn't mind, a load order update for my part of your page:

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
01 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 0.9.9]
03 Open Cities Resources.esm [Version 3.5]
04 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
05 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
06 Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm
07 VASE - core.esm
08 CM Partners.esm
09 TR_OoT_Main.esm
0A TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
0B Cybiades.esm [Version 2.0]
0C Children Of Rourken.esm
0D Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0E Windfall.esm
0F GTAesgaard_2.esm
10 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.6]
11 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.4.0]
12 Enhanced Economy.esp [Version 3.4.3]
13 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
14 Francesco's Optional New Adventurers.esp
15 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 0.9.9]
16 All Natural.esp [Version 0.9.9]
17 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 0.9.9]
18 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp [Version 1.66]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
19 ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp [Version 1.39c]
1A Happyhannah's Wines.esp [Version 1.1]
1B BHC_Expanded.esp [Version 1.2]
1C TIE.esp [Version 1.35]
1D TIE+Frans NPC Inventory.esp [Version 1.0]
++ VASE - Vanilla Cyrodiil.esp
++ VASE - Vanilla SI.esp
1E Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp [Version 1.3.1]
1F AFK_PrayerIdles.esp [Version 1.0]
20 DLCHorseArmor.esp
21 DLCOrrery.esp
22 DLCFrostcrag.esp
23 OCOD+FrostcragSpire Patch.esp
24 DLCThievesDen.esp
25 DLCVileLair.esp
26 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
27 DLCSpellTomes.esp
28 Knights.esp
29 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
2A SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp [Version 1.30]
2B OCC-KOTN-Patch.esp [Version 2.1]
2C AFK_Frostcrag.esp [Version 1.0]
2D Whispered Warning.esp
2E Kvatch Rebuilt.esp [Version 1.1]
2F Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
30 OCC-KR-Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
31 Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
32 TOTF.esp [Version 1.22]
33 OCC-TOTF-Patch.esp [Version 4.2]
34 RTT.esp [Version 3.01]
35 RTT-Weye Relocation Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
36 OCC-RTTv3 Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
37 Malevolent.esp [Version 1.02]
38 OCC-Malevolent-Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
39 GTAesgaard.esp
3A GTAesgaard_2.esp
3B Gates To Aesgaard 2 Delayer.esp [Version 1.0]
3C Cybiades.esp [Version 2.1]
3D CybiadesDungeon.esp [Version 2.1]
3E Nascosto Isles 3.esp
3F COR-Episode1 Secret of Enourk.esp
40 Ivellon.esp [Version 1.8]
41 WeynonRetreat.esp [Version 1.4]
42 The Lost Spires.esp [Version 1.4]
43 OCC-Lost Spires-Patch.esp [Version 2.0.1]
44 OldCrowInn.esp [Version 1.5.1]
45 HeartOftheDead.esp [Version 6.3.1]
46 Windfall.esp
47 LetThePeopleDrink.esp [Version 2.5]
48 The Ayleid Steps.esp [Version 3.2]
49 HackdirtCaverns.esp
4A Mimics!.esp
4B EaglesRest.esp [Version 1.0]
4C Better Benirus Manor - Complete.esp
4D Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands.esp
4E Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary for OBSE.esp [Version 2.3]
4F Gaelendryl.esp
50 Dungeons Merger.esp
51 Unique Dungeons - Lost Glory.esp
52 Unique Dungeons - Lichs Lair.esp
53 JQ-Return_of_Dagoth_Ur.esp
54 TheOubliette.esp
55 PTArtifacts.esp
56 A Imperial Outpost - Fort Nova Varos .esp
57 ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
58 Valley_View_Estate.esp
59 InnsOfCyrodill.esp
5A Shezrie's Villages.esp
5B TR_Stirk.esp
5C To Feed an Empire - Wickmere Farm.esp [Version 1.0]
5D VHBloodlines 1.2.esp [Version 1.5]
5E AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.0]
5F runestone.esp
60 ElsweyrAnequina.esp
61 road+bridges.esp [Version 4.5.5]
62 Feldscar.esp [Version 1.0.2]
63 Vergayun.esp [Version 1.0.5]
64 Faregyl.esp [Version 2.0]
65 Faregyl+Anequina Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
66 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
67 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
68 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
69 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
6A XulEntiusGorge.esp [Version 1.2]
6B xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.5]
6C xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.2]
6D xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
6E xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.2]
6F xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
70 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
71 xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
72 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.4]
73 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3]
74 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
75 xulTheHeath.esp [Version 1.1.1]
76 xulPantherRiver.esp
77 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
78 xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.0.3]
79 xulBlackwoodForest.esp
7A xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7B xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.1]
7C xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.0]
7D xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
7E West Roads.esp
7F Castle_Seaview.esp
80 EaglesRest+LostCoast+CastleSeaview Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
81 LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp [Version 1.2]
82 LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp [Version 1.1]
83 WeynonRetreat-ChorrolHinterland-Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
84 HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
85 ValleyViewEstate-RiverEthe patch.esp [Version 1.1.1]
86 Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
87 Mimics+Ravenview+Cloudtop Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
88 Gaelendryll-BrenaRiver patch.esp [Version 1.1]
89 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8A TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
8B Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
8C Verwen Brewery.esp [Version 1.01]
8D A Imperial Outpost - Fort Novi Sad.esp
8E ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
8F bartholm.esp
90 Bravil Docks.esp [Version 1.0]
91 Open Cities New Sheoth.esp [Version 1.1]
92 Open Cities Bartholm.esp [Version 1.0.4]
93 Open Cities Outer Districts.esp [Version 3.5]
94 Open Cities Reborn - Full Merge.esp [Version 1.0]
95 OCC-ULCH-Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
96 NRB4+UL-II+LtPD+OCOD Patch.esp [Version 3.0.2]
97 OC+Bravil Docks Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
98 OCLR+ULBWForest Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
99 OC+Cheydinhal Falls Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
9A OC+ULSkingradOutskirts Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
9B ImpeREALForts+LostSpires Patch.esp
9C BrotherhoodRenewed.esp [Version 1.0]
9D AFK_Blades_EQ.esp [Version 1.2]
9E WindowLightingSystem.esp
9F Map Marker Overhaul.esp [Version 3.4]
A0 Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp [Version 3.0.2]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ All Natural - Nascosto Isles Weather Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
++ Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++ Enhanced Vegetation [100%].esp [Version 1.0]
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
++ Louder Nirnroot Sound.esp
++ Visually Realistic Lava.esp
++ TrollfLoadingScreens.esp
** Rusty+Fine Items.esp
** Book Jackets OB+SI+DLC.esp
** Clutter Graphics.esp
++ QuestDialogueFix.esp
A1 PersonalMerge.esp
A2 Streamline.esp [Version 3.11]
** NRB4 OCReborn Road Record.esp
A3 Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Not entirely sure what you're classifying as "cosmetic" but I'm using the major stuff. QTP3-Redimized and RAEWVD being the big ones.

Add to that, OSR 4.1 and OBSE 0018. System specs available here: http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=684492
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit, LAA patch in use.