Having played many games with Bethesda involved I can guarantee this game will not work. No, not that its a bad idea for an MMO. Its a good idea in theory, but the game is going to release broken and flop on its face because Bethesda can't release a finished single player game much less a MMO. I can only imagine the horrible glitches this game will release with, and I won't even consider putting the game on my HDD for FREE until at least 6 months to a year after launch. And, only when I'm sure its not going to kill my first born children in the future.

IMO, this is going to be the biggest, most over-hyped, MMO failure in history. Not because Bethesda can't come up with good ideas or good content, but because they can't manage to deliver a relatively bug free experience out of the gate. Developers with reputations for releasing polished and relatively bug free games can't release a "polished" MMO, how can Bethesda even think to try stepping into the MMO world without releasing a TES title with at least co-op multiplayer first? I hope they prove me wrong. That would be magnificent.

EDIT: Substitute Zenimax for Bethesda. I'm old, I just lump Zenimax and Bethesda together because Zenimax was created to be a shell company for Bethesda so they could expand.

TLDR: I don't trust the publisher to release a polished product.

Bethesda.
Not.
Making.
It.

Try replacing Bethesda with Zenimax Online then.
It still makes sense~

Not really, considering the OP's point is all about glitch fest games.

We have no idea how glitchy ZMOnline will make TESO.

True that.

Uh, from what I gather, Zenimax Online has never released a game. Ever.

They have a very experienced studio staff that has worked for all sorts of companies, including Big Huge and Firaxis. However, they haven't done anything as a group yet.

I don't think you can judge the quality of this game release by basing it on anything in the past. You know... since there is no past.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zenimax

Don't drink the cool-aid just because it looks colorful and seems like it would taste good. You realize you are posting on bethesda forums still right?

Thank you for confirming that Bethesda is not making TESO.

Ugh...

In the article you linked to...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZeniMax_Online_Studios


Not the same.

Actually this is quite a big fear for me.
Like what i mentioned in another thread, Zenimax Online is a studio that the fans had no contact with since 2007
and with no other projects they have done to prove to the fans that the Elder Scrolls Series are in safe hands.

And i am pissed off that they just suddenly appear and shove this MMO into our faces telling us they're ready to launch in 1 year.
Thats basically saying "Hey whether you like it or not, we're still doing an MMO and we didn't care for your fan inputs which is why we kept it a secret since 2007"

Here, I know we are being very terse with you and that's probably rather frustrating. Let me put this into perspective:

I know what you are thinking. Bethesda TES games are owned and published by the same company that owns and will publish TESO. I understand why they look the same. They do. But that's just it, they only look the same.

The relationship between Bethesda (Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim), and Zenimax Online (TESO) is the same relationship that Doritos has with Mountain Dew.
When you decide whether you like the taste of Doritos, do you base it on whether or not you like Mountain Dew?

Of course not. They are made and developed by two entirely different groups of people, even though they are both owned by the same company (Pepsico).

That's the same thing that's happening here. TESO and TES games are made and developed by two different groups of people, even though Zenimax and gamesas own and publish them both.

Make more sense?
They won't be related at all, even though it looks like they are.

Lots of development studios don't talk about their newest project until about a year before release, despite having worked on it for quite a while before hand.

^ You still realize that if it turns out to be something you don't like, you don't have to play, right?

Nothing is being "shoved in your face". You have the right to not buy, subscribe to, or play the game.

I'm curious what you think it means to shove something in your face? They've been making a game for a few years, and they are almost ready to launch it. So they announce that they are ready to launch it. They aren't forcing anyone to do anything.

This isn't any different than some car company announcing their new Hybrid. Why is that so bad?

Yea i know, but it would have been nicer if they had made the annoucement maybe in 2010
and build up strong rapport to keep the fans happy.




Its bad because of the reasons above.
Had they announce it in 2010, there might still be chance to fix some things that the fans may not approve of.
But knowing that there is only 1 year left is just basically saying the fans input have no weight at all
as i think it is close to impossible to implement fan requests in that time frame.

Very few companies ever announce their projects prior to a year of its release.

And quite honestly, even if they announced it in 2010 our input would have little weight at all, if any.

If you think bethesda, zenimax, and zenimax online are separate entities you are sorely mistaken.

Just because they hired a few new people, add an "online" to the end, and throw around some nostalgic names/games does not mean they are going to change their business model of releasing busted up software. But I digress, and will let those who drink the cool-aid continue to do so without further interruptions. I wlll go about my business with my normal attitude regarding Bethesda/Zenimax/That Game Publisher and Developer that did all TES games. Don't get me wrong, I think TES is great and bought Skyrim as soon as it came out. I got what I expecting and am still waiting on patches before I play it again on my 360. I might buy the PC version before I go back to the 360 who knows. But, as for TESO... I already know how that story goes. And six months to a year after release, if the game has proved me wrong by some miracle, I will try it out.

For right now, everything I've read about the game points to it being just your average MMORPG. There sure are a lot of those now, pick your IP.

I suppose you think DOOM was made by Bethesda too, right?

Nope. But I do think that Zenimax was spawned by Bethesda and Zenimax Online was created much later under that umbrella.

And?

How is releasing a TES title with co-op help make a better MMO game? It would make no difference what so ever.

No really.. it's a different dev team. Bethesda Game Studios is not working on this.. it isn't a matter of opinion, it's a fact. Bethesda Game Studios is not Bethesda Publishing is not Zenimax is not Zenimax Online.

Different developer, different game engine, different coders, different level designers, different everything. Same parent company, same publisher.. and although execs might make deadlines, they don't develop..

This game WILL succeed because it WILL make them a profit. It's as simple as that. Will it be one older TES players will enjoy? Who knows. It doesn't matter.. it's not going to impact the TES single player games at all. Honestly I'm looking at this as a happy TES distraction until the next actual TES game comes out. If by some stroke of luck the universe is benevolent in this and rewards us, the most quick to judge and hate anything new fans of anything ever, with an amazing MMO.. well then that's just fine by me. If it svcks? I couldn't care less.. back I go to the single player games I go. After they get FO4 done with anyways. (lolz jk Fallout is awesome. (but not as awesome as TES...))

It can be a different dev team all it wants but the fact is the same company is in control of it.

You will just have to excuse me from using Bethesda in my OP as that's how I've known them since I started gaming back in the early 90s. To make another example, Vivendi made WOW. Blizzard was just the subsidiary.

You're incorrect. The same company OWNS it. They do not develop it. The developers design the game mechanics, code, create the art.. they MAKE the game. The publisher does not. They publish it. They own it. They do not make it.

Am I missing something? Oh and so far as them releasing it in 2010 and getting fan input.. this thread should be a perfect example of why fan input honestly amounts to nothing until a game is released (because it's a load..)..

Edit: Spelling