When you walk into Primm and talk to Johnson Nash he gives you a little piece of information that bugged me, he says there was another Courier, Someone who was offered the job, but then saw your name and said, "no [censored] this, let that [censored] do it". Who was he? Mr.Nash even told you he was related to your past, is he your family? Is he a junkie you used to know? Also, there are some other bits of information that never go anywhere. Doc Mitchell, when you ask about who "she" was, he tells you it's not important, but you know that there is going to be a dlc about his dead wife. There are some other instances of this, (such as the burned man being mentioned in the game's loading screen but nobody has found him), It's really annoying, and I get the impression that they're only doing this because they want to charge you 10$ for stuff that could have been in-game. Anybody else feel cheated?

uh thats the dead guy against the building across the street isnt it?

There was 7 Couriers IIRC, you were the only one who survived.

I think your making assumption way to soon. :thumbsdown:

No, he simply suggested that you had a history together, maybe. You find out who it was later on in the game.

Joshua Graham should definitely have been in the game somewhere at least. He'd make for a cool DLC, anyway.

I'm actually glad that nobody has found the Burned Man, I mean, I'm almost sure hes in there but he is just not easy to find, I mean think about the chances of actually coming across this guy in real life, very slim. Or, this could just be a setup for a DLC, and if so, then I think its a great way to do so. In FO3 all the DLCs pretty much just jumped in your face like "Oh, theres this brand new thing that nobodys ever mentioned ever before but its really awesome so you should tottally go check it out, man." If this is setting up DLC then I'm liking approaching it this way, shows you that it would have a very deep story to it.

Agreed, it was just "OH LOOK OVER HERE, SHINEY!"

I guess I glossed over the part about that other courier, too.

Thanks for clearing it up.

There's a point of interest in the game,

I'll get screenshots up ASAP.

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Kind of creepy/obsessive, actually.

I'm guessing we'll get some DLC about him!

uh, you guys ever been to primm pass? (i think its primm pass) well, it says a bunch o' stuff about courier 6 (thats you) whats THAT all about?

And then there's Joshua Graham. Every other thing I hear any legionaire say as I walk through their camp is "I've heard rumors that the slaves are spreading stories about the Burned Man again." On top of that just about every NPC In the Legion that you can chat with has an option about him. We wanted Joshua Graham before the game was released. This is just torture, Obsidian.

"No, you don't get him. Instead, you get to hear people talk about him relentlessly!"

Or the Burned Man is y'know.... dead. They all say its just superstition and theres no way he could have survived.

Except he was supposed to appear as a follower in Van Buren. But now you'll say; Van Buren was never released! Yeah, it wasn't, but guess what else was supposed to appear in it? The Legion. Arcade Gannon. A chunkload of other people/places that are in New Vegas.

Maybe I'm just being too optimistic :sadvaultboy:

Have you forgotten?
Number one this is a piece of fiction, and when-ever a piece of fiction introduces a rumor or a legend, it has some gravity.
Number two, this is a piece of FICTION, in fiction, whatever is not needed to advance the story positively is removed.
Numba three, this is an RPG, they are notorious for having almost all of their fables be, nearly, word-for-word accurate.
Numero cuatro, this is a video-game, no need for explanation.
Number fiveesse, if it's not in the main game, then it is a HUMONGOUS DLC opportunity, and if it's good, no one will dispute.

Given the amount of references to Graham I'd be surprised if we didn't get to finally meet him face to face in one of the DLC packs. What we've seen so far seems like an ominous build up, and I actually liked the way they handled the character. He's portrayed as an important part of the Legion's history of course, but he's also portrayed a bogeyman that is out there in the wasteland somewhere.



It's implied that he's not dead, Caesar has scouts constantly on the lookout for him and he would have scoured every inch of the Grand Canyon for a body beforehand. Some folks in the Legion believe that he's dead, but part of Graham's story is that he has an uncanny ability to cheat death.

My guess is as good as yours - i think in a DLC you'll find joshua graham and he'll ask you to help him take down the legion. As for the courier hype im stumped.

He's the guy that they covered in pitch, lit on fir, and threw into the Grand Cannon after they lost the Battle of Hover damn right? Please don't tell me you guys expect him to be alive because that is crazy talk

I've just visited the place, thanks for noticing. What is the Divide actually? I remember Johnson Nash saying "I hope a storm from the Devide skins him alive." or something to that effect while talking about the courier that passed his job to you. I didn't really understand it then, but that 'graffiti' in Canyon Wreckage also simple says "the Devide". Note it's written with a capital "D", so it could be a place or region. My wild guess would be "the Devide" is a DLC area located on the west part on the map, the area that's currently blocked off by mountains. The Canyon Wreckage appears to be the way to get there, if the trash in Canyon Wreckage is cleared. That would probably be where the other courier is located.

Also, I don't know if you agree with me, but the signs saying "Courier 6?" and such appear to be a direct message to you, while "the Devide" is more written like it's telling you what's ahead. A little like the signs saying "Hoover Dam" to the east of Boulder City. "You can go home Courier" looks to me like maybe "the Devide" is home? Not sure about that of course, but it's kind of a weird message if the Devide isn't the Courier's home. "Lonesome Road" doesn't make much sense to me. Well yeah, maybe you're supposed to go there alone, like in for example The Pitt and Point Lookout, but it's hardly necessary to put that up as a sign.

Well, all heavy speculating of course, but the presence of Canyon Wreckage is definitely hiding something.

Edit: Also note the suitcase under the writing that says "Lonesome road". Time to travel, baby!

Not at all considering that he survived the exact same thing in what was going to be Van Buren. Graham's back story was kept largely the same in his transition from Van Buren to New Vegas, so it's not far fetched at all to assume that he's still alive and kicking.

Not if he didn't know what it was. To your average person, it would just appear to be a poker chip.

It's "The Burned Man?"

I kept thinking people were saying "Bird Man."

I really just can't see anybody surviving something like that. I mean lit on fire and thrown into the Grand Cannon. Must be an uber bad ass to survive that, I mean....What!

Simply, he was a goodfellow. He could be trusted with important information and plans. But you still cant "really" trust him, or even kill him (being as he's a goodfellow). the mob is wacky like that.