Here's how I answered this question the last time it was asked: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1151342-and-on-that-day-the-courier-died/page__view__findpost__p__16847884

The Boomers aren't a viable option because they have no inerest in expanding. They only wish to protect themselves, and the Legion would learn to avoid that place like it's the plague. Eventually, the Boomers would run out of ammo, or the Legion could rob and kill the guy that sells the secret.


Benny is an overconfident buffoon. He might not have been AS rushed to avoid the Courier, but he would still fall victim to his own overconfidence and lack of real skills.
EDIT: Let's say he makes it to the Fort. Let''s say he even activates the new Securitrons. What then? House realizes his plan to overthrow him, and House sends one of his own Securitrons to kill Benny. It's that simple.

No, the NCR is not interested in making peace. If that's your perception, the you are probably an unsuspecting trout (no offense, it's a reference to a low level of perception in-game). All joking aside, the NCR is not here to make peace, they are here to defend. There's a big difference. It's like saying that a country wants to surrender instead of defending its homeland.


Yes, but no. They would probably win, but not JUST because of how ruthless they are. That is a factor, but it is not the only one. They beleive they are doing the right thing, they have good leadership, good morale, good armor, good weapons, good tactics, and overall good soldiers. They are more organized and more of a threat than any other faction.


yes, but getting to the bunker in the fort is the problem. Imagine someone recruiting you, and telling you that you have to go into the fort of people who are more than likely going to A.) Dismember you B.) Torture you C.) Crucify you D.) Burn you E.) Enslave you or F.) All of the above. Would you do it for a thousand dollars?



No. The BoS is about as Xenophobic as the Boomers with MacNamara in charge, and without you, he stays in charge. So, they are ruled out as they plan on staying inside their bunker until the Legion finds it. Then, they give the Legion a little trouble, and the Legion either takes over the bunker with sheer manpower or blows it up from above

Remember, Yes Man was Benny's creation; he works for Benny. He would be Benny's Securitron leader and liason inside the Lucky 38 network.

If the Legion won, I'd imagine the Mojave Brotherhood would punch out of the bunker and head west to link up with other chapters; don't see them sitting there and waiting to die.

But Yes-Man is created to do everything that anyone tells him. This means he wouldn't be an effective leader, as anyone at all could tell him to lead the Securitron army into the Grand Canyon and have them fight to the death.

Also, if House is not dead yet, then House will just redirect Yes Man as he comes into the Lucky 38

Benny had to rush his plans and wasted all of his stealth boys early because of that. All he had to do is wait for the Hoover damn battle as a good time to sneak over and upgrade the securitrons. After the Legion / NCR get done killing each other over the next few weeks, a Securitron army pops up.

I'll admit I don't know to much about the game. This is my first fallout game ever played. But I'll just go off from what I do know and kind of backtrack.

So.. If courier stays dead.. Benny doesn't need to run from the Casino, so he's not captured by the Legion right? Which means he can keep working with Yes Man to Try to figure out what to do? Which means.. We really don't know what he would do? But judging by his plans he would be working with Yes Man for ever. Which means Mr. House doesn't get his platinum chip? Which means that the securitrons just stay as normal Security guards? Which means that the Omertas can continue on with there plans to take over the strip? But that can't happen because they don't have their guns or the chlorine bombs.. Then we go to the NCR.. I didn't to much with the NCR so I'm just assuming that they would stay back at hover dam? They would stay there until Caesar attacked and try to fend them off.. Which means that Helios would be I guess weak? Which means that The Brotherhood might try to get it back.. My heads going to explode cause there is to many things to go down. From me fighting the war it seems like the hover dam battle would go down real bad for the NCR. Because for ever 4 Legion soldiers there was like 1 NCR man.

K screw that. Legion will win !

That's not really a fair hypothesis, in that case why not have another person help Legion? Or NCR? Why would this person go specifically to the Boomers?
This "right hand man" is removed in this thread, be it The Courier or speculating about anyone else, as it isn't a fair discussion.

When you come to Strip House already knows where Benny and the chip are. Even without you he isn't likely to let Benny get out alive. As I said it only takes one hired sniper to take Benny out without damaging the chip.
Then House would have a small amount of upgraded secutrons in his usage. Even if he doesn't get to the Fort to activate rest his army he will be able to wipe out Legions forces after they are weakened by NCR. But that way he will be in power only until Legion comes back with new army.

Wait.. Can House upgrade "some" of his securitrons without going to The Fort?
Cause I don't really see house's securitrons standing a chance against Legion if they're still in MK I.
Sure Legion wouldn't exactly be effective with machetes against metallic hulls but still.

1. Caesar and his legions, under Lanius' command achieve a Pyrrhic victory (look it up please), left with barely enough manpower to guard the Dam, man Caesar's main fortress, and offer up a few patrols per week to scour the warzone and pick off NCR and other 'pests' that have 'gone to ground' after their victory.

2. Caesar's forces are forced to rely on terror tactics to a degree that makes even Caesar a bit squeamish, stricken as he is with a now all-too terminal illness. At the last, Caesar relents and tries to sway his followers to a less destructive path in a grand speech, only to be casually impaled from behind by Lanius' gladius.

3. Lanius assumes control of the legion, abandons the dam in a spectacular display of scorched earth policy, largely destroying it's usefulness to anyone and cutting the struggling power grid to a mere shell of it's former self.

4. Using his newly freed up minions, Lanius returns to raiding tribal camps and small outposts, stealing children, women and young men to fill out the ranks of his slaves, retainers and military forces. All others are crucified, tortured to death, or outright dismembered in horrific fashion as clear warnings to those who would cross the legion.

5. About this time, unbeknownst to all, the A.I. installed by the former courier into Mr. House's computer system, aided by his few remaining securitrons, designs and patches together a single securitron armed with multiple stealthboys and redundant power supplies, heat sinks, and fans, allowing it to remain cloaked for long periods of time and dispatches said securitron to the remnants of Caesar's camp at Fortification Hill, where the securitron easily slides past the unseeing sentries, drops a belt-full of concussion grenades (which do no harm to it, of course, being inhuman and heavily armored) in the control room, uses the chip and descends to the hallways below, where he reactivates and begins upgrading the securitron army manually, a task that will take some weeks due to the limited range of it's broadcasting ability and the sheer numbers of securitrons.

6. Some weeks later, as things are just approaching a form of status quo, Bennys broken body is planted on a spike outside the Tops in the Strip by Yes Man's now fully upgraded securitrons as they suddenly go on a well-planned rampage, routing all possible sources of interference, destroying the other casino families and shutting off access to the Lucky 38 in mounds of crumbled debris and broken buildings. It will be a long stretch before the strip reopens.

7. Lacking the interference of a super-hero (ala the Courier) to intervene, aliens begin to randomly abduct people again, probing and studying them for some unknown but probably sinister purpose. Lanius, being both gaudy and out-standing in any crowd is plucked from the Vanguard of a tough battle against 'gone native' NCR remnant forces. Lanius' Legions are once again scattered by a foe they do not have the tactics to fight (hit and run tactics, just like the American forces used during the Revolutionary war).

8. Fully armed and upgraded, Yes Man declares himself 'The sum of all things. Both God and King above men and machine' and begins marching his near endless masses of almost unkillable mechano-soldiers throughout the West. Within 15 years, Yes Man becomes sole ruler of a beaten down West, butts up against Northern California (fighting them to a standstill), and puts all his resources together to begin reconstructing the terrors of the old world...Nuclear bombs and missiles.

9. One fight too many, one diode too many burnt out in deep thought, 5 years later, Yes Man activates his entire arsenal and re-nukes the entire West Coast.

10. Shaken to the depths of it's tectonic plates, California finally slides off into the ocean.

-Deus Ex Machina, anyone?

If you give the chip to House he upgrates the secutrons that he has in New Vegas. The Fort is a storage for rest of his secutrons and these are useless unless you go there, activate them and power them using the NCR power station.
But yes his secutrons will be MK II if he just gets the chip in his hands. I'm pretty sure this is how it goes but maybe someone can correct me.

Benny would be take over Vegas, but being unable to get into the bunker where House's army is, he doesn't last long. The NCR would probably annex Vegas once House is out of the picture, and then it's a coin toss between them and Caesar.

How exactly?
Legion's taking over the south, and has an easy way to take over the north (Just send over some rafts over Lake Mead to the northern shore.) and have Khans from the west.
They could easily corner Hoover Dam.
And once the dam is taken then Legion can just swarm over the Mojave Wasteland.

I think that if it's really that close that one person can swing the outcome, there would be a bloody stalemate. Both the NCR and Legion would expend too much of theoir military resources, and not be able to keep order within their own borders. Civil war would result, and both sides would have to divert troops away from the dam to restore control. Whoever had it last wopuld disable it to prevent the other side from using it. Caesar would use a Legionary to destroy the bunker (then kill him), and then smash the platinum chip, so the securitrons would be numerically limited and underpowered. A power vacuum would exist as a result. The Kings and Followers would have total control of Freeside, the Three Families would run Vegas, and the Brotherhood would scour the area for technology and retake the solar array. The Khans and Fiends would raid and pillage at will, and the Boomers would stay safe behind their big guns.