NCR- 9 Good Setup with ranks, organization, just a little too spread out along the river. Leaders are questionable, but the cause is good and all of the soldiers know it, and in the end, that's who's doing the real work out there!
Legion- 6 There's not a large enough presence in my opinion. The only fun I get too have to destroy them is to attack The Fort, or Cottonwood Cove >;D (until the Dam Fight)
BoS- 8 I think the Idea of them being in the bunker for all this time after helios one was quite interesting and very suprising! Your interaction is good sized, yet I wish it was longer. Maybe DLC they'll be included more DD
Fiends- 5 I like how the presence is large, they just don't always put tooo much of a fight up, they come in numbers and that's their usual advantage.
Boomers-7 Once again I like the idea of the isolation, and it was a major pain in the hindside getting through that barrage haha!
Powder Gangers- 4 They fade off after 1/4 the game, and I just wish they spread a little more!!
Mr. House-2 I kinda disliked his part, it just was very unsuprising, and seeing him coming out of the chamber was kinda gross xD
Khans- 4 The most interesting thing about them was that they were involved with benny, but they do put up a good fight I'll give them that.
Yes Man- 7 I thought the deception on the strip was a fun thing to follow through on! Plus, His voice is quite encouraging!
Enclave- 3 Near pointless if you don't have Arcade Gannon as a follower, I like Boone best anyways ;D

NCR seems the most stable too me, Long term success with many freedoms. Anarchy is likely because they do sometimes impose their will and taxes on some but they do it for the good of the people. Their not like the Enclave in Fallout 3 and look to keep it all for themselves. They want the area to thrive and I believe that after a while of no war and good stability, everything will ease down, taxes will die down and the area will be thriving. I think the BoS and NCR have the same idea's, they just both want to be the supreme forces in the area, I think they should combine having them still keeping their names lands and beliefs, just keeping eachother as allies. Then The Lone Wanderer and The Courier will join together to face a new threat to the nation..because war...war never changes...

Tandi was part of the problem.....Caesar was correct about that.....she held onto power so long there was no effective cadre of potential leaders to replace her when she finally did die. It would have been better to emulate Washington, who flatly refused to stay in office beyond two terms....and had to be begged to stay that long. Now they have Kimball, who is a idiot. If the NCR wins and annexes the Mojave, they'll get Oliver next, who is an even bigger idiot than Kimball. And how about some of the Civil parts of the NCR like the OSI? How could even a self-serving careerist like Hildern not see through Fantastic immediately? This guy is supposedly trying to get a cushy job in Shady Sands on the backs of his subordinates yet he hires a grifter who doesn't even bother to lie about what he is doing? Hildern either was another Frumentarii or he's Jetting?. Even the "competant" officers like Hsu seem too timid to do anything but interpret thier orders in the most literal way possible, or take worse than half-measures by sending one Ranger armed only with a knife to assassinate the chief of the largest Raider gang in the area. Duh!


And as far as the Fiends....the NCR supposedly didn't go after them hard because they'd "just hole up in Vault 3". Did it ever occur to them to get them to do that then block off the door with concrete and make it thier tomb? House had enough concrete to fill up most of Vault 21, and the NCR had just rehabbed...probably at great expense...a cement factory and re-opened a quarry to supply it. Then they let Deathclaws shut down production of facilities they spent all those caps on and produces a product they desperately need? Duh!


What's sad is even with the corruption and gross incompetence they're still better than CL. Oliver doesn't recruit cannibals to administer his conquests, and Col. Moore isn't performing human sacrifices to persuade Kimball to let her attack the Fort.

The NCR reminds me of something, well never mind, they are just corrupts bureaucrats, I let they useless president die in the vertibird XD

Too much focus on NCR, like others have said. (But I like NCR so its ok )

I do wish there were more Legion raid camps and forts spread about and maybe they would pop up more rapidly as the game progressed so it actually feels like an invading force and not just another tribe. Like how in Oblivion the gates would pop up a couple at a time at first and then you get farther into the story and you cant walk ten feet without the sky turning red and demons shooting fire at you. More Legion raid camps would also mean more work for me and Boone, we are currently un-employed because of a sevre lack of Legion...they seem to have....vanished...... :whistling:

Toninght, im gonna hunt you and send you and you friend to bliviongate: (no pun intended)

I like Mr. House's ideals the most.

Brotherhood and House seem quite similar to me. They both care about the progress of humanity and not humanity itself.

By the way, the idea of colonizing another planet was the plan of pre-war U.S. government and Enclave. It was actually a cut-content from FO2. Enclave gave up on the plan after the war for some reason.

Yes, the vaults were experiments if what it might be like with all of the humans in the space-ship. I think it was that they didn't finish their space-ship before the bombs fell.
@boradom I don't think we know if that is his real plan.

I think it was partly that and also they probably realized that the logistics of doing something like colonizing another planet were enormous and virtually impossible to overcome, so they figured "eh this place ain't THAT bad.....right?," and stayed.

My favorite faction of them all is the Great Khans.

Why?

The theme of Fallout in general is "war never changes." Well, the Great Khans have been beaten down so many times that they're humbled and have no real purpose or goal. They used to be raiders, but they've been beaten so bad that, at worst case scenario, they're after revenge with the NCR. EVERY other group (save maybe the Kings) is fighting for a purpose. The NCR is fighting for democracy, the Legion is fighting for stability, the BoS is fighting to keep old technology out of the hands of people and the FotA are fighting to help everyone. All of them have a purpose that they feel obligated to spread throughout the Mojave; except the Khans. The Khans fight only for themselves and to protect their own people, and they're shown to be VERY willing to negotiate and settle things peacefully. If every faction on the map were to fight solely to protect their people and their territory, then we'd see a lot less war. Instead we have the NCR insisting that the world needs democracy, the Legion insisting they need stability, the BoS insisting that they need to protect everyone from technology and the FotA insisting they know what's best to help the world. All of them insisting they know what's best only creates conflict when they don't see eye to eye. I mean, even the FotA are often playing the roles of thieves, stealing NCR resources because they INSIST they know how to put them to better use, without even thinking about how their help towards a needy group may only create other needy groups within the NCR itself...
The Khans though? A humbled, defeated tribe whose worst deed is smuggling drugs, who is often more than happy to negotiate and is willing to simply move away when other groups don't accept them.


The Kings also deserve the same praise, if not more: they only fight to protect their people, and not for the sake of a purpose or agenda. It's pure defense. Every group should be like this.

Mr. House is the same, but has an issue of his own: negligence. In a sense you can't complain, because all he's doing is protecting what he's designated as his people, but he's also actively forsaking the people who want help, caring only about maintaining his precious New Vegas. The difference between Mr. House and, say, the FotA is that the FotA see a needy town and decide they'll fix it without that town even needing to ask, often taking resources from other people without permission in order to help that town. Mr. House however has a town at his doorstep that seems to be CRYING for help, and he has the resources to do so....yet he doesn't.

Since we do not know what CL's civil administration is like, it is quite blind to say that it would dissolved while NCR out last them.

In fact, it is quite possible for Lanius (or whoever success after him) untie CL once against before NCR can push far enough.

People's happiness is relative to their culture; unless there is a cultural break (down or through), I don't see how CL would turn itself inside out.

I posted this on another thread in spoilers but as it's almost the same subject and it contains no spoilers.

Strange thing is NCR do get the most lines and content, however House gets the best lines.
The game is not about the NCR, and it's plainly not about CL at all.
It's it's own creature, the Mojave..
House is the Brain of the Mojave, NV is the head and the settlements are its limbs.

I doubt when the lore gets established for FO4 or NV2, that the Legion will be seen as victors or even stable.
I also doubt the NCR will be holding on tight and secure to power anymore then the are allready.
I do see NV as independent and doing quite well.

So as I said, the Dev's may have given NCR top billing in content quantity.
It's the Mojave and its people that have been given content quality.

I honestly like the idea of an Independent Vegas under Houses control. Because honestly, as I see it, House is the best of the factions, I can't say much on the Legion do to the obvious bias on their part, it's hard to say what their civilizations are like, but if their military is any indication, I'd rather the Legion just shoo. NCR? If the courier had died or sided with anyone else, I foresee the NCR going into a Great Depression akin to the one the USA suffered in the 1920s courtesy of our favorite Warhawk Harmonics squawking their war in the Mojave, Vegas was bleeding the NCR dry, and alot of the reason is that NCR can't just leave well enough alone. If you own the entire Eastern half of Nevada and offered 50% of your land to NCR, they aren't grateful, they'll wait till your asleep and break through your doors and force you to sign over your lands or just kill you. Honestly, the NCR is just a heartless as people in the Legion can be. Bitter Springs comes to mind. Before anyone defends 'it was an accident' they arent robots, their humans, they could have chosen to refuse orders, instead they continued to slaughter the men and women, then they try to white wash it as a refugee camp. Makes me question how much of a 'miscomunication' it was.

I think it was'nt an accident, but tried to justify it by saying it was, kind of like boone who seemed to try and call it an accident.

Boone gives NCR a bad name, and the NCR gives him a bad name too.

It seems like most people should listen to the King of Clubs more often.

I wouldnt say Boone isnt a monster....yet, but at the time of Bitter Springs, he's the example of that 'robo troop' I mentioned.

@Sapper- I think you mispelled 'King of Diamonds'.

Double post, ignore

:tops: House was very enjoyable for me, I remember making a character with 8 luck (+2 from Intense training and implants) and breaking the bank on the strips casinos. (I dot know whether this is a bug or not but I was idolized with NCR, Ceasers legion and the great Khans, odd)

My 2 cents

Out of 10

NCR-8. Good ideals but bad corruptioin. I believe they are simply not ready to rule the Mojave and they should return to california to shore up the land they own to prevent any chance of revolution and sort out their system, try to remove corruption.

CL-7. Strong leader and army, policies are good and realistically they are the best hope for the Mojave, morally NCR are the best. I dont approve of slavery although i understand the need for CL to have it. Also i do not know is Ceaser plans to have a child someone to pass down his knowledge, and if he does not and Lanius becomes in charge, that would be bad for the Mojave and help no one.

BoS-10. I love em, although i understand the problems with them. Personally i have never seen an instance where they kill or steal technology from people in the Mojave. I agree with their ideals anyway, how bad would it be if CL or NCR or great khans got nukes or tanks, or even more advanced weaponry. They horde technology which is better thann using it.

House-6 or 7. House cares about new vegas as a whole and i respect him for that. I have no doubt he could build spaceships and blast off to another country. My problem with him is that would that reallly help anyone? If he really cares about mankind, as he said he does, he should help the FotA or help rebuild freeside. I dont think he really cares about mankind, just power and new vegas. Even if he does take out his plans, how will that help. NewVegas will still be a place for the rich, only it will look nicer. The mojave will be as bad as ever. I simply cant work for a man who dosnt tell me all his plans, or a man who lies to me

Clearly you didnt do Veronicas sidequest then. :spotted owl:

Also, hoarding just means collecting, doesn't exactly mean their not using it. And like House says, they arent hoarding the kind of things that saves people, but rather the kind of things that kills them.

As to your opinion of House, you're looking at the concept of mankind from an altruists Point of View. House is looking at everything from a statistical Point of View. It's like the man at McCarran, he only looks at things in VERY broad strokes, and even gets upset when you save the ghoul and destroy the V22 research. House is the best solution because he intends to save mankind, but that doesnt neccassarily mean every man.

I love the Khans. Willing to accept change and listen to reason.

NCR is low on my list, especially after meeting Colonel Moore. I didn't get much satisfaction from my NCR playthrough.

I love the Kings.

I love the FoTA. They're naive, but I dig them.

I'm liking my Legion playthrough, but I think that they will have a problem if and when Lanius takes over. He has a loyalty to Caesar, not the Legion.

I want more of the Bright Brotherhood in the future.

The BOS piss me off.

House is ok.

The White Glove Society should wither away.

I'm leaning more towards an independant Vegas, if only folks could just 'Live and let live."

I have been torn on House since the beginning of the game,and this is the ONE point that seems to make me sway in his favor. Nicely put, I commend you sir.

I don't really like the NCR, they seem weak to me. The Legion is much stronger in my opinion, but I can't get behind the [censored] and slavery. I used to love the BOS, but not in NV. Except for Veronica. :wub:

I killed most of the Khans before I really talked to any of them. It was a mistake, but I was pissed at the Legion and they were affiliated...long story short it was great stress relief!

If there were a way to bring the Kings to ultimate power, that's what I'd do. They're really the only group I like in NV, the others I merely tolerate.

Personally I think the Legion could continue after Caesar, but only if it weren't Lanius leading it. Maybe with Vulpes or Lucius leading it'd stand a chance.

First rule of a King ruled New Vegas? 'Every man woman child and animal MUST wear a pompadour.' :laugh:

They'd bring style to the wasteland