another one of these threads... its the same with every patch for every game, they cant release the notes untill the patch passes sonys testing incase something gets cut. its normal practice...

although once, earlier this year, when homefront was a broken game, i remember sony hurrying along the cert procedure because of how broken HF was on ps3... everyone email sony and tell them how bad the game is and how quickly we need this patch approved

You are naive then. For one thing, all they would have to do is change the amount of time it takes for objects in the world to disappear. I could tell them that. And I'm not even a programmer. They will fix it eventually.

Not much I can do really. Return the game and get 10% of what I paid for it? Or just grin and bare it like some people keep suggesting, guess they're either Bethesda employees incognito or people that honestly believe spending $60 or $120 for something that doesn't work, being lied to by a company etc. is perfectly alright. Either way I do have a $120 Alduin statue and a Blue-Ray coaster, add that to New Vegas and Fallout 3 I have the complete set. I should of used them at the dinner table yesterday...

Then like I say, if they don't fix it and don't comment then complain away.

And they made a mistake. That does not make them thieves. Please don't tell me you're one of the moron conspiracy theorists that think Bethesda deliberately sabotaged the PS3 version because they are in an evil league with microsoft.

Not to pick sides but I personally don't see how a patch can make the ps3 game as smooth as the xbox(simply making the lag more bearable is not good enough, I paid the same money) I think it is possible for this game to work on the ps3 but the core and to much subsidiary code is badly optimised for the ps3. Hope Im wrong. I think the patch will help a little but it will always be the inferior game.

Don't start putting words in my mouth. Regardless of any "theories", Bethesda sold us a broken game to make the 11/11/11 release date, bottom line.

Ok then. In a way I hope that's true, because that would mean that they were planning all along to fix it in this patch. I don't think it is true however. I think they just screwed up, as companies and humans in general tend to do all the time.

They knew the game wasn't ready in time. I'm sure they've been working on fixes since they sent the final Blu-ray disc out to be replicated, knowing they can fix many of the problems. But if it can't and won't be fixed and they sacrificed the game for the release date, that will easily go down as one of the worst mistakes in gaming history =P

its amazing that no matter what thread, what subject, you always get people arguing/debating/conflicting. being that this is a tech support forum, youd think people with a common interest would work together, listing their problems, giving advice and what not. i pose a simple question, and get verbal war in return. bethesda might have made a mistake/purposely let us test this game for them, but look at what were doing. arguing amongst ourselves when really were all in the same boat. if the patch doesnt fix the game then my new hobby will be watching these forums and taking pity

whos being naive ?, i highly doubt that alone would fix the issues, the save file grows alot by discovering new locations, along with othre stuff, its not just a matter of resetting the dead bodys... if that were the case it would if being fixed by launch

looking forward to my thread being locked later on, cheers guys!

People were riled up before I got here ;P

Being as optimistic as I can be, I'm still hoping these problems are fixed by the 1.2 patch.

Care to elaborate on what other long term play performance problems the game has aside from the framerate lag issues? Obviously he was referring to that one.

It could mean the texture issue, the glitches, the tons of broken quest - and sure it sounds like the lag issue, but why not come right out and say it? they said it for the xbox texture issue but all they say for the ps3's problem is "improved long-term performance" if they don't want to come right out and say they're fixing the lag issue because it's not certified why would they say they're trying to fix the xbox texture issue?

Well the statement in question was made in direct response to a question very specifically about the lag issue, that's about as obvious a way to say "it's for the lag issue" as you could ask for.

Well, this thread was civil until the "moron" statement.

Anyways, it's a wait and see if the patch will fix the frame rate issue. Based on the past patches and my experience with F3 and FNV, the patches have not helped but here's hoping that this patch will work.

yeah, but in fairness, skyrim, as bad as it can get, isnt even near as bad as fo3 was. iv just over 70 hours on skyrim with not a single ps3 freeze (but with bad lag from around 55 hours),
in fo3 by 50 hours, my ps3 must have froozen between 10/20 times, and became COMPLETELY unplayable by 60 hours, it would take less then 60 seconds to freeze my ps3.

i think theres more of a chance of them fixing skyrim, compared to the chances fallout had.

I wasn't aiming it at anyone in this thread. But yes, some users of these forums ARE morons. Some people here in this sub-forum GENUINELY believe that bethesda sabotaged their own game deliberately because they are in an evil league with Microsoft and hate all PS3 users. The 'evidence' of this that these people will give you is that 360 is advertised at the end of Skyrim commercials. Obviously this is absurd- 360 have been advertising their console on game commercials for years, this isn't a conspiracy against PS3 users.

I'm from Brazil and I just wondering, how big this patch will be?, I mean, as far I have read and played Skyrim, the game are beatiful no doubts, but has lots of bugs, glitches and this lag issues are killing my gameplay experience. Thinking in this way i'm expecting a huge patch at least 300mb or more...

I'm very upset cause I just know the bethesda knows about this lag issue (I work with game development too), let the green light for the release, this is not minimal bug that can fixed without been notice, its a critical one, that compromise the hole game, and that I can't accept comming from a company like Bethesda.

As I said, this patch may be fix the lag, but i'm disapointed cause they didnt need to do that, just delay the release a little bit more, in my opinion is better than trhow this "garbage" on us.

I paid almost R$ 200,00 it is about U$110,00 and its not the CE.

Well, i sure do hope you're right;)

I agree with Squoosh. We must save our pitchforks for after the patch. Soon, my pretty, soon.

In all seriousness I have a few issues with this:

1) It does seem odd the game review places put out tons of perfect reviews for the PS3 version of Skyrim, and now are admitting their own editors have the lag bug problems. They shouldn't have given perfect reviews based on the minor play they gave the game, or they should amend/qualify their reviews for the bug in the 11/11/11 release versions.

2) I've heard it repeated that the reviewers were not given PS3 versions of the game. That smells funny to me, if true.

3) There should be a sticky here in this forum the same way there is in the Xbox forum for the texture glitch and the PC forum for all their woes for our particular PS3 issue. I chalk this up to the Thanksgiving holiday because I can't believe they don't want to address this other than random Tweets here and there. As I've said, this is old fashioned of me perhaps to expect a standard message board response rather than a Twitter response.

4) I'm skeptical that this was not addressed by the testers, as they would more than likely have run into this lag/framerate/stuttering problem while play testing it. I'm more than a little skeptical that this is some surprise issue for them, I'm pretty positive they shipped it knowing it was glitchy and hoping they could get a patch out soon enough to appease the masses. This is not a good business practice of a good company. I'm less certain than Squoosh here is that it was just a mistake they didn't catch, and a little more on the "we knew about this and didn't fix it in time but wanted to meet 11/11/11". I guess I'm cynical. There's no way to prove this anyway so best to let it go.

The alternative to delaying the 11/11/11 release on PS3 to fix the bug would raise all kinds of red flags to PS3 users that something is indeed amiss on the PS3 Skyrim and that the game won't be as good as the other versions. Remember it's been announced that all DLC will come out later on the PS3 version than the Xbox or PC versions. Coincidence? Perhaps.

All in all, fingers crossed. Is it patch day yet?

They had the same bug with the same modified gamebryo engine in both FO3 and FONV. They've known about it for a couple of years now. That's what has people so riled up.

I wouldn't call myself 'certain'. I just think certain users here have become so angry they are lashing out at Bethesda without thinking. In response to your post, Kent Nelson:

1) Why is that odd? Game reviewers have a busy schedule, they couldn't afford to put 30 hours into skyrim to see if it was broken like that. I think it's fair enough if they put, say, 15 hours into it, and thus did not notice the lag issues. Whether they decide to edit their score is another matter. Personally I think they should give Bethesda a chance to fix the issue (and I would imagine that is what they are doing)

2) Even if that is true, that doesn't account for all the Playstation magazines/sites that would definitely have received the PS3 version of the game

3) I agree, but there isn't much we can do.

4) That's possible, but I can assure you the timed DLC has nothing to do with this. Microsoft pay Bethesda to have timed DLC, they have been doing that for ages, lots of other games have that.

I agree...with you....

Anyway i thing the patch must be ready now...but they must testing it extensively before they do any confirmation....(smart move i thing...)

First, sorry if my english is not good enough. I have some lags problems ( but I can play) and I′ve seen videos that shows how slow can Skyrim be when you play more than 30/50 hours...

I can understad that a game like Skyrim (so huge) has some bugs, bugs like flying people, graphicals mistakes... but i can′t undestand a game with a bug that makes the game unplayable. I have paid for a broken game and the only thing that betheseda sais is that the next paxt MIGHT fix that problem?? WTF???????????

The problem I have is if this patch doesnt fix it than I might forget about Skyrim and never play it again. Longer you go without something as awesome like this the more likely it will become forgotten to the gamer and by the time they remember it again they just wont care about it. Skyrim needs to be fixed with this patch, Bethesda has already proved to me why I shouldnt get day one releases with them. I wont forsake them but I wont be getting the game the day it comes out, might be better if I wait half year to the point where my friends are surprised I still havent played that amazing title.