found a video with mount and blade weaponry and combat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t32gbPbgxc

lightyears better than skyrim. only thing that the MB weapons would need would be better textures since they are a bit low rez.

The weapons you show weren't used in combat and only Kings and the rich had them.

EDIT: ....or at least rarely used.

To each their own I guess. I quite like the design of the weapons in Skyrim. In fact, I'm considering crafting some of my own based on designs from the game.

Vereh vereh niceh.

Without reading any of the other posts I will say: any craftsman with any skill would encorporate some special style or ornamentation; imitating in some way a blade of finer craftsmanship...

It's not unusual in history of people using fancy weapons in battle. Look at the Arab tribes, they carried very intricate weapons into battle throughout history.

There is a dungeon where you need to find ornamental weapons. Bethesda could have used fancier designs there ... (I don't remember well, but I think they only used the usual nord sword / axe design) ...

Because the weapons in Skyrim are meant to be pratical and useful in a fight, not pretty and overtly complicated. Also, glass in TES is different from our glass.

The OP has a point and arguing against that is futile.

What he wants is more variety and uniqueness, is that hard to understand? To the OP:

I also feel there should be more unique items in the game, things that aren't mainstreamed via smithing. I also wish the design would be a little bolder, concerning weapons that is. Adding variety to the game would make you feel the vibe for holding such a historical weapon (something with intrinsic value and lore) for instance, something that, alone, could be more expensive than a whole city. In all honesty i can't complain. Skyrim presents me with options and i like it. I just hope Bethesda listens to your plea because that is definitely one thing they can look up to.

wait for it.....wait for it......



.....mods.

Most of the time at least. But the size of the warhammers in Oblivion (http://images.uesp.net/5/53/OB-items-Warhammers.jpg) are almost insane and several other weapons throughout the series have been very bulkular, but I think they've gotten better at the Warhammers especially in Skyrim, even though things like the iron mace are a bit oversized still. But even though I prefer somewhat realistic gear, I'm willing to give them some leeway thanks to it being a fantasy game in the end.

Mount & Blade really is a great game and a beloved favorite of mine, but I'm reluctant to compare them too much. Some things can be learned from it, but in the end the gameplay is pretty different. M&B is more like a war simulator, even though it's an RPG, while ES games are a lot deeper when it comes to the world as a whole. Had you aimed for M&B styled combat in Skyrim you would have to dumb down the AI and tune down the graphics. Also, fighting a battle in the open in M&B gives you a randomly generated battlefield, while the terrain in Skyrim is tailored to hold entraces to dungeons and the likes, and horse combat would be limited to a few relatively open areas.

Edit: Forgot to mention that I'm with Dust to some extent. I wouldn't mind some more diversity when it comes to arms. I don't care much for katanas and similar weapons, but shortswords, falchions, morning stars etc in varying formats would spice things up a bit.

I don’t care for the look of either of the weapons pictured. I find them both over embellished. For me fancy is not the same as pretty. Of course, that’s a matter of personal taste.

I'm a she but yeah.

Unique weapons shouldn't share the same weapon skin as mainstream and ornamental weapons should look more embellished and more extravagant than simple mainstream. And thank you.

skyrim should have ornate weapons, and a larger selection of weapons in general

I was of the opinion that Texas has relatively strict and some cities in Texas have very strict regulations concerning the wearing, maybe not the possession, of guns and other useful weapons like knives? No comparison f.e. with Vermont where they have no restrictions on guns at all. But I'm living in Europe and presumably wrong. And although I own guns, I'm not such a friend of distance weapons. It's too easy to kill with it.

On topic: I hate ornated weapons in reality and also ingame, but TES stands for freedom and perhaps they should implement more. Many eople in all times seem to have a certain love for ornated weapons, it would be very strange when the war loving Nords had none. I would prefer when they would implement more diverse weapons generally, I miss swords with short blades and above all spears of course. It would be easy to implement additional swords, spears would be very difficult unfortunately.

none of the weapons shown are weapons. first of all - in real life we have metallurgy. this means that our blades are 400% stronger than anything the ancients could have ever made. this allows us to add unnecessary weight to a blade and still have it work. however - we don't. the ornamental stuff you see would shatter on contact with a real weapon. the difference is metallurgy - 440 steel holds its edge quite well. it is also more brittle than cookie crumbs and if you drop it on a marshmallow, it'll shatter. start mounting gems on it and adding more stress points to a fragile blade and what you have is a potentially epic failure once it enters battle. we could make a real combat weapon - but mounting anything to it would only add unnecessary weight which in turn, adds torque to imperfect blade cutting angles and will shorten the life of the blade. it will also add torque to perfect cutting angles - since you now have an uneven blade surface, differing friction points will necessarily cause torque. not good for something that you may actually stake your life on. steel - which is iron and carbon, needs to be heat treated. without getting into martensite and pearlite, you want the middle of the blade to be soft like melted chocolate - say rc 42..44. and you want the edge to be harder than diamond - say rc 56..59. you can not add anything to the blade - this is why all combat blades are completely nvde while the handles can be as elaborate as preferred. to heat treat a blade, you have to melt it into vapor at 750+ C, depending on carbon content. then you cool it slowly, coat the spine in clay, heat it again, then dunk it in oil. the oil supercools the edge, making it edge-holding. the clay keeps the spine warm, keeping it wobbly. when you have a non-linear blade - say with divots cut in, the oil bath will stress the thicker parts less and the thin parts more, making it warp. so instead of a sword, you have a corkscrew. entertaining, but considering it takes 2 people a full day to make a single sword, not that funny.

katana hand guards could be elaborate - because they are to protect YOUR hand from YOUR blade, finishing a downed opponent. nordic and viking blade hand guards were made to protect YOUR hand from the ENEMY'S blade, making them again - under stress and consequently suboptimal to take non-load bearing materials. this is why ornamental blades are for kings and princes - the last people to see battle before an empire falls.

only recently could we make functional blades with designs. this is because we reinforce our steel in optimal alloys - vanadium, silicon, chromium, in perfect lattice quantities 0.2% and 0.4% etc. these elements are readily available at any industrial revolutionized country - and ultimately unavailable anywhere else. we can heat treat these and our polymer science laboratories have glues that can glue metal stronger than the metal. these glues are not found in nature and can not be mixed together from skeever tails and mudcrab chitin. they are synthesized in a laboratory with reagents that are not found in nature. as much as i would like to believe that skyrim had technologies that rival lawrence livermore labs and MIT but still did not develop auto-loading rifles makes it seem dubious.

Of course we all want 3000 different unique models for our weapons. Unfortunately there is limited time and resources to make them. And each artifact already does has it's own unique model.

Hence any supporter for the OP is effectively championing for REPLACEMENT of existing designs with those impractical blades. (and are also likely to be Thalmor agents looking to weaken skyrim)

ebony blade and ebony armor aren't unique appearances.

Skull of corruption like in oblivion had a unique appearance as does the sanquine rose and a little wabbajack though in the case of wabbajack I prefered the design of Sheogorath's staff. Masque of clavicus vile has a unique appearance as does savior's hide on females but a good majority "unique weapons" are just renamed of reused skins.

If you don't like it then please don't continue to post here.

Bethesda makes a lot of money the least they could do is make more unique looking weapons and generally look like something truly special to aquire. Cars look fancy and pretty and the prettier ones tend to go faster but chew through fuel faster than a overworking big truck or van even bus.

Skyrim's dogs are based on Irish wolfhounds, one of the more effective war dogs in history, also the largest (size, not bulk) dog breed that still exists

This isn't a fan group for supporters of overly-fancy weapons, it's a board for discussion, which very strongly implies differing view points

Glass as weapon/armor material in TES is a volcanic metal. They call it glass out of a lack of a better word.
Silver is a bit strange yes, but I've read theories that it is steel weapons lined with silver to hurt incorporal creatures.
The Nords were and are very skilled craftsmen, but on the whole they seem like a practical race. The ancient artworks are probably taken by adventurers and ended up in some collectors trophyroom and in a time of war the smiths have little time for unecessities. That they seem to revere strrength and quality over looks also add to this, hence the reverence for Skyforge Steel.

But, having more designs for weapons wouldn't hurt.

They still look like mutts and St. Bernards as well as Huskies and Alaskan Malmute breeds should be introduced as well and even Portugese Water Dogs.

As for discussion, yes this is open to discussion but not flat out WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH YOU HAVE DUMB POINT YOUR POINT IS DUMP PRETTY WEAPONS ARE USELESS LIKE EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW OMYGAW WHY YOU POST YOUR IDEAS ARE STUPID YOU ARE STUPID WHINE MOAN WHINE

When did anyone ever do that? I've seen more than a few who'd welcome more variety, me included, but that doesn't mean that we'd happily see weapons with little use added, especially when there are weapons of different uses missing (short sword vs long sword etc).

No i'm not talking about you I'm talking about people who come in ehre saying that decorative weapons don't do anythign while at the same time aggreing tha tglass is stronger in skyrim. I once had a knife that had a ranbow tang, or blade, and it was as sharp as the steel one. Plus as another poster has said Arabians used very fancy weapons that were also battle worthy.

Sure some people think these gorgeous daggers are ugly but to openly say that having a fancy weapon is inpractacle is just like saying all sporty looking cars for being so fancy must move slower than a tractor. Depending on what they are made from a dagger can look fancy while being deadly like diamonds which are carbon the hardest substance known.

Plus there is the fact silver is stronger than steel so there is no way a silver sword would be silver plated as it would have the same strenght of a steel weapon. And just looking at some of the comments here ((as well as people disregarding my avatar and the dress that I made for myself in my signature and yet they still think I'm a guy)) they don't offer much in the way of discussion but more like a little kid coming in her saying that these fancy weapons idea are stupid.

I think people forget too that the metal used in Decortive swords is made to stay shiny and look pretty. It's a lot heavier than the steel used in making actual combat swords.

I concur with what you said mainly but the cited part is questionable imho. Ancient and medieval weapons often used a kind of hardened steel and often not. Some Roman, Celtic and German swords and later medieval swords were composed of soft steel in the core and hardened steel at the cutting edges which reached up to 700 HV (I'm too lazy to convert it to HRC, sry). Modern steel knifes and axes often have not so much more HV, some have less. In the ancient times they used trial and error and experience, not science, and could not generate good results reliably, but they could get it at least sometimes.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohs_scale_of_mineral_hardness

Sliver is 2.5 to 3 while steel is 4 to 4.5

Clearly Wikipedia is wrong, or you are.


Do not label everyone who differs with your opinions as a little kid. It will just invite everyone who has disagreed with you to start to get rough, even if it was directed only at a single person.