The Walking Dead Discussion

Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:03 pm

Not really. If it were rabies or something, maybe, but it doesn't really make sense. If the bite was a fatal neck/artery wound, maybe due to the vital point bitten and thus bleeding out. But look at someone with HIV/Aids, they don't suddenly 'get more Aids' when bitten by someone else who has it. Same thing would apply here. Whatever's in the survivor's blood, assuming the virus' initial exposure killed on contact, makes the virus seem to be recessive until death. It wouldn't make sense that a simple light scratch on the arm or what have you should suddenly turn into a zombie. Honestly, I just chalk the whole confusion up to being a plothole.

Also, at your latest post, the zombies are more a distraction for herself, they're apparently her coping mechanism for the post-apocalyptic world. IIRC it's said ones her boyfriend, and the other her ex-husband.
Because we can really relate a zombie infection to AIDS or Rabies.
I think it makes perfect sense, another way to put it is, using lab equipment;
  • - A bowl(you) full of water(blood)
  • [The initial outbreak was airborne] - Red dye
  • [When inhaled it affects the blood stream] - Add a few droplets of Red Dye to the water making it pink-ish.
  • - Now everyone has pink-ish water (Tainted blood stream)
  • [A reason for it now taking over instantly could be that the heart is still creating/pumping enough untainted blood to to cancel out any more infection breathed in, this would be why the dead come back, because the heart has stop 'cleasning' the blood system.
  • [Now if a person is scratched or biten their skin is broken and veins/organs/artieries are exposed. This means the airborne infection has got direct access into your blood stream]
  • - This is the equilvent of adding about 5 table spoons of red dye to your already pink-ish water.
  • - Given a little time to settle the whole bowl will become red water (full infected)
How about that, does that one make more sense
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:34 pm

Not really. If it were rabies or something, maybe, but it Also, at your latest post, the zombies are more a distraction for herself, they're apparently her coping mechanism for the post-apocalyptic world. IIRC it's said ones her boyfriend, and the other her ex-husband.
Ah, just looked it up from the comic book -
Michonne first appeared on the road at an unknown distance away from The Prison Clothed under a hood, she pulled the shackled zombies of her boyfriend and his best friend
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:22 pm

I know WHAT you're saying, but I'm saying the idea itself makes no sense. And yes, it is comparable, because HIV/Aids attacks the host's immune systems IIRC (May have to wiki check it), plus, the virus is supposed to reanimate the dead cells, so I still don't understand the logic of it. I seriously don't think the author put THAT much effort into planning the outbreaks structure, so the logic behind it's potency is a jumbled mass of frayed wires.

Ah, just looked it up from the comic book -
I got it half right. In my defense I only read the article once. >_>
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:09 am

I know WHAT you're saying, but I'm saying the idea itself makes no sense. And yes, it is comparable, because HIV/Aids attacks the host's immune systems IIRC (May have to wiki check it), plus, the virus is supposed to reanimate the dead cells, so I still don't understand the logic of it. I seriously don't think the author put THAT much effort into planning the outbreaks structure, so the logic behind it's potency is a jumbled mass of frayed wires.

I got it half right. In my defense I only read the article once. >_>
Well Kirkman should take me idea, makes perfect sense, and then I can sue him for copyright or whatever and/or claim royalities B)
It reanimates dead cells, like dead blood cells, dead blood cells are in your poo, so your poo becomes alive, and takes over you, making you a walking poo!! This one makes even more sense :ribbon: :P
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:24 pm

Hmm. Interesting thread. I was quite late to the whole Walking Dead thing and only caught up on Season 1 shortly before Season 2 came out and I waited until this past weekend to watch all of the second season. I had no idea there was a comic book about it either, though I sure want to read it now.

My only contribution to the thread is this:

Lori must die. In, like, the opening scene of the first show of the third season. She must. She really, really must.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Lori must die. In, like, the opening scene of the first show of the third season. She must. She really, really must.
Be patient
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if the story is following the comic book, and they are going to the Prison then there is a high chance Lori won't leave it, as in the comics she and the baby die there when the Govenor's Army attack it.

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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:49 pm

I'm still curious why a zombie bite would cause a special fever that seems guaranteed to kill you, if you already have the virus or whatever in your system. That doesn't make sense in a viral way, unless the saliva glands have something extra in them, akin to venom say.

Idea! (Note: I've never read the comic).

Maybe the virus has two forms. An active lethal strain you get from being bitten, and a passive strain that only activates upon death. Everyone was exposed to the passive strain. Maybe it was purposely engineered to reanimate soldiers or something. However, once a corpse has been reanimated, the virus mutates into the lethal strain, and anyone bitten by the corpse will die.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:54 pm

Good finale. The show had almost lost me, but they might pull it back.

Carol is still too dumb to live. Seriously, if annoying Andrea can level up and start to be useful to herself and others, so can the wimpy mom. If they make the redneck guy be in a romance with her, I'm gonna hurl. I mean, they need to repopulate the planet and all, but he should find someone with more evolved ovaries.

Lori... also too dumb to live, but she's going to live forever because she's so annoying.

Interested in the zombie wrangler. I read a few spoilers on who it is, but sounds like there might actually be some dramatic potential there rather than the zombie soap opera we had this season.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:43 pm

Just saw this today, not sure how new it is but thought I would share
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_walking_dead/b/pc/archive/2012/03/20/walking-dead-39-s-zombies-shamble-into-action-in-debut-trailer.aspx
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:30 am

Just saw this today, not sure how new it is but thought I would share
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/the_walking_dead/b/pc/archive/2012/03/20/walking-dead-39-s-zombies-shamble-into-action-in-debut-trailer.aspx

Interesting, hopefully it turns out to be a zombie RPG and not a zombie shooter clone
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:38 am

Perhaps sedatives still works on zombie brains. :rofl:

I'm still curious why a zombie bite would cause a special fever that seems guaranteed to kill you, if you already have the virus or whatever in your system. That doesn't make sense in a viral way, unless the saliva glands have something extra in them, akin to venom say.

Well being bit by a decaying corpse(Whose been eating other fresh meat) can cause fever I bet even without a special virus.
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Post » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:33 am

Because we can really relate a zombie infection to AIDS or Rabies.
I think it makes perfect sense, another way to put it is, using lab equipment
(...snip)
Well, I'm not a doctor, but a bite from a zombie likely would not be enough to "inject" so much extra virus that it'd overwhelm you to the point you die in hours, unless the virus/infection was a fast acting agent that was already causing your immune system to work nearly to the brink. Being bitten by one rabid dog or six rabid dogs isn't going to make you get/die from rabies much faster, if any faster at all. It's not the same as being bitten by, oh, say, six cobras or maybe being injected with a giant vial of something.

What we know: It's been a few weeks (?) or more and none of our heroes have symptoms that become progressively worse or at least never quite go away. They apparently weren't ill first then recovered later (at least no one's mentioned being sick just before or after it all started) to reach some kind of dormant/immune stage (like chicken pox). It could be like AIDS and they'll have symptoms 6-12 months from now or whatever, but...hmm.

I think SentientSurfer had a good idea - the disease may have two stages: one, breathe it in and it's a dormant virus that your immune system fails to notice/act against (so no obvious symptoms) and only triggers upon death to reanimate, and two, once zombified, the virus alters form/action to something fast acting (like a severe poison) and is passable through any bodily fluids/bites/scratches.

And if zombie saliva/fluids are so virulent, I think our heroes need to be more careful about all that gunk that they keep getting plastered in the face with during fights. :tongue: Which also leads me to consider that long-dead people with no pumping hearts would not "spurt" blood everywhere in the first place. Hehehe.
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Post » Fri Jul 13, 2012 12:39 am

Interesting, hopefully it turns out to be a zombie RPG and not a zombie shooter clone
Yea I would like a zombie RPG too (not just of the walking dead, but one in general would be nice)

I was kind of hoping it wou;d be disc based for some reason. I'm not too fond of Downloadable games, but if Its good I'll probably get it.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:24 pm

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl

I LOLed....
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:55 pm

http://www.collegehumor.com/article/6743808/10-reasons-why-the-walking-dead-should-just-kill-carl

I LOLed....
I just lol'd. It's sad because there's 100% truth in this. I think the ONLY time he's been useful in either season is when he shot Shane in the head. >_>
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:13 pm

I just lol'd. It's sad because there's 100% truth in this. I think the ONLY time he's been useful in either season is when he shot Shane in the head. >_>
How useful do people expect a 12 or something year old kid to be?
At least he's getting around and doing stuff, and trying to built the guts to kill Walkers by himself. Unlike a certain broken women who wanders around lost and complaining, while trying to get off with Daryl :shrug:
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Post » Fri Jul 13, 2012 1:47 am

How useful do people expect a 12 or something year old kid to be?
At least he's getting around and doing stuff, and trying to built the guts to kill Walkers by himself. Unlike a certain broken women who wanders around lost and complaining, while trying to get off with Daryl :shrug:
Because he walks around stomping 'I CAN BE USEFUL' but doesn't do a bloody thing. He COULD help scavenge supplies, cook, clean, make things around camp easier, but he only focuses on the combat, plus, I don't recall him helping Rick in the shoot out on the farm. Plus, it's because it's Carl's fault Dale is dead, was it intentional? No, but he set those chain of events in motion. Plus, it's not THAT hard to pull a trigger, all he had to do was pull the trigger, and it'd be over. He talks about being the big man, but when the time comes for him to be a big man, he runs. I know he's 12, but if he wants to stomp around saying he can be the big man, he needs to step up and act like it.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:22 pm

How useful do people expect a 12 or something year old kid to be?
At least he's getting around and doing stuff, and trying to built the guts to kill Walkers by himself. Unlike a certain broken women who wanders around lost and complaining, while trying to get off with Daryl :shrug:

I think the problem is that he's getting around and doing stuff, seeing as he's never where people think he is (real problem, what with the zombies), and in trying to kill walkers he got Dale killed. By all means give him shooting lessons (like they did), but for God's sake don't wander off. It's not about being useful to me, it's about being realistic. How often can one woman - who's pretty much said her jobs include washing dishes and looking after her son - lose her kid? Those dishes must be spotless.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:41 pm

How often can one woman - who's pretty much said her jobs include washing dishes and looking after her son - lose her kid? Those dishes must be spotless.
I literally lol'd at this.

But seriously, Lori is just as bad at the 'I can be useful' and then AREN'T useful. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheLoad.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:08 pm

Snip
Dale wasn't planned to die until far later it was because the actor wanted out that we was killed so suddenly and, in a rather stupid wa, just unlucky Carl had to be the cause. Haven't seen the finale yet so I don't know how he acts during it.

How often can one woman - who's pretty much said her jobs include washing dishes and looking after her son - lose her kid? Those dishes must be spotless.
A women's work is never done, especially when there are hunger mouths to feed and dishes to be done afterwards :tongue:

Does Lori really try to be useful, she mostly stays home and does the housework, like she said to Andrea they provide the 'norm' in the camp doing the normal stuff - there was that one time she went out in the car :rolleyes:

- I wanna know whats going down with Carol and Daryl, it's icky...
-- They need to shower
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:44 am

My biggest problem with Carl is that he is a wimp. I know cops, and I know the sons of cops. One thing they all have in common is that none of them are wimps. The character of Carl is portrayed incorrectly. Rather than being a feeble coward, he should be portrayed as an over-confident, aggressive child who is already skilled in marksmanship and self defense.

I don't know if he is this pathetic in the comics, but he is certainly breaking my suspension of disbelief in the TV show.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 9:13 pm

My biggest problem with Carl is that he is a wimp. I know cops, and I know the sons of cops. One thing they all have in common is that none of them are wimps. The character of Carl is portrayed incorrectly. Rather than being a feeble coward, he should be portrayed as an over-confident, aggressive child who is already skilled in marksmanship and self defense.

I don't know if he is this pathetic in the comics, but he is certainly breaking my suspension of disbelief in the TV show.
In the comics he was only 7 and already killing zombies and saving his mum - before they even left Atlanta, he's a badass in the comics unlike his counterpart in the TV series.
I guess its because they can't show a kid being brutal or firing guns at everything without any self impact because it'd be "unethical" or whatever :rolleyes:
- Not to mention he kills another child simply because they killed his friend and he deserved it while everyone slept - though he does breakdown after a while http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Carl_Grimes_%28Comic_Series%29
- He also gets shot quite a good few times by different people but doesn't die.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 11:06 pm

I think the problem with both Lori and Carl among other characters is that the writers don't seem to be good at building natural tension and crises, so they have to hand someone the idiot ball in order to induce drama. Like Lori running off after Rick and getting into a car accident, when she was always chastising him for running off, and her flip-flops on whether Shane is/ is not a danger to them and should/ should not be taken out.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:47 pm

My biggest problem with Carl is that he is a wimp. I know cops, and I know the sons of cops. One thing they all have in common is that none of them are wimps. The character of Carl is portrayed incorrectly. Rather than being a feeble coward, he should be portrayed as an over-confident, aggressive child who is already skilled in marksmanship and self defense.

I don't know if he is this pathetic in the comics, but he is certainly breaking my suspension of disbelief in the TV show.

He gets it from his mother. Feckless [censored] that she is.

Let's hope Carl reaches down and grabs a double-handful before he ends up getting the entire group killed.
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Post » Thu Jul 12, 2012 10:23 pm

This show annoys me so much! It could be brilliant, but it's awful. Every character is a one dimensional stereotype. Racist redneck, angry redneck, morally upright old guy, cliche black guy with "Dawg" in his name, good guy Rick the hometown sheriff. Shane is probably the only one with a hint of character. Also, the kid who plays Carl needs to be sacked, he is honestly on par with Hayden Christensen as Aniken in terms of worst and most wooden actors out there.

It's such a grand idea, but nothing happens. I'm nearly at the end of season two and nothing has happened. I want them to explore the complexities of human nature once civilised living breaks down. They spent about 5 episodes looking for a missing child.
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