Yeah, I don't know why they do it, except that I know it's expensive for publishers to push back release dates. I guess they figure people will just blame the developer and the publisher won't get any heat for enforcing the release date despite the game still having major bugs.


Well, it's the worst for you, anyway. The worst I've experienced were probably fine to other people too. It's all a matter of perspective. Game forums are chock full of people having problems for every single game release (believe me...I usually lurk in the tech forums for games to see if I can help anybody). Most people don't even look in the tech support forums unless they're having problems themselves. When they see the posts from others having problems they're like, "OMG everybody else is having problems too!"

The fact that all of those people were there in other tech forums for other releases of other games is lost on them, because they never looked in that forum if they weren't having problems...therefore as far as they're concerned those game releases were great. Never mind the fact that there were just as many people complaining about bugs and threatening to never buy another game from Company X again...they just didn't see it...they were playing the game. Also keep in mind that 100 people posting about tech problems in the forums is a drop in the bucket compared to the thousands of copies sold.

Anyway, I lurk in a lot of tech forums (not just game forums...some for electronics and such as well), and they're all pretty much the same. Some people having no problems, others having problems and discussing fixes, and some having problems, seeing that others are having problems, and assuming that this must be the werstest productz evarz, rage rage rage, etc., etc. :shrug:

I'm not saying that bugs should be excused, but it doesn't do anyone any good to get emotional and irrational about it. It's better to have lucid conversations about workarounds, report bugs to the devs, etc. Everything just works out better that way, and we users don't end up flaming each other.

Shoulda left Bethesda run the whole show.....

I have a very good rig and the problems I have are not on my end, turned my settings down to medium with no AA and still major slowdown. Everything about my machine is tweaked for gaming......I know itll be resolved but still pretty bummed.

Wasnt bad until the first real gunfight with the gunpowder guys...wow


Definately NOT the worst launch ever, see any EA / Dice game.....not even close

Bethseda is the one to blame for it's poor engine and no thanks I don't want em touching another fallout game in the future not after fallout 3

By all accounts the slowdown issue was a Bethesda problem to begin with. The way people are fixing it (using an alternate Direct3D DLL) dates back to Oblivion, which had similar slowdown problems when it was released (I know because I had 'em).

What is up with guys like you? Why are you defending a company that knew MONTHS before the release date the game was riddled with bugs?

What is the most important aspect to any game? TO PLAY THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE. Before the "fan" fix the game was unplayable for me and 99% of everyone else. We have every **** right to complain since we wasted money on the product.

You can go ahead and "send" your reports to the devs who are already aware of the problems months before the relaease date.

I will get **** pissed and irratated as much as I want to if I paid money for a product that's not working.

The difference between this forum and other is that they report AFTER bugs which didn't show up during beta, that's perfectly fine. This company released a product that wasn't properly quality tested, hence why it's almost unplayable for most of us (without dx9).

Companies like bethseda will continue to launch broken products as long as they have "guys" like yourself ACCEPTING bugs and gamebreaking elements.

Don't care about spelling sorry, but guys like him just pisses me off :banghead: :banghead:

Lol...you didn't read my post. If you had you'd see where I said we shouldn't excuse bugs. The fact that I'm able to keep my cool and actually try to exchange useful information and attempt to help the situation rather than useless [censored]ing and moaning doesn't make me accepting...it just makes me rational.

If you're mad and want to send a message then don't buy Bethesda's games. If you don't want to deal with bugs then don't buy any games until there's a patch, because every game is released with bugs. I'm not defending that. I'm just saying that it's bound to happen and a lucid exchange of information is more helpful to everybody than swearing, slamming, and flaming everybody. However, if you just enjoy raising your blood pressure for fun by all means go ahead. I'm not here to stop you...just saying it's not helping anybody. You assume I'm supporting Bethesda and buggy releases simply because I'm not throwing a tantrum, but your assumption is incorrect. I'm not throwing a tantrum because I'm used to this happening, and not just with games. It stinks, yes, but I'm not going to give myself a heart attack over it.

Also, saying it's not playable for "most of us" is a huge assumption. You have no clue what percentage of PC players are currently having problems. Or do you?

Actually I belive if a majority would rise against companies who shell out broken products, then they wouldn't have the balls to release something without proper Q/A. Again I don't mind bugs (open source, svn runner here) like you said they are bound in any software. But this is painfully obvious the devs were well aware of the issues and yet they released the game without properly checking the most MAJOR bugs.

You're right about paying money for their products, that's something I won't be fooled into doing again unless something drastic happens in their company.

Let's go back 10 years, most of the major studios wouldn't have the balls to release major titles without proper testing unless they wanted an angry mob.

Thanks to steam and it's 30 million accounts you can release anything as long as you have a major studio backing your name. 2KS bioshock 2 is another great example, but at least they acknowlede in the end they wouldn'et support the PC anymore.

I work hard to earn my money sir, I expect to get my moneys worth, don't you?

EDIT: You honestly can't belive this is a minor problem, hell just look at any other site (neogaf,gamefaqs, ign, gamepost) and you'll see the forums are swarmed with the same issues.

I have learned from past painful experiences not to pre-order or purchase PC games at launch. Take a day or two to see if there is any "fallout" and check reviews. Glad I didn't purchase this game. I'll redirect my money to "Rock Band 3" and hope these problems are fixed by the time I've worn this game out.

if the OP thinks THIS game's launch is buggy, he must never have played Borderlands on winXP 64 bit. Oh god.

I agree. Although I'm sure they've run the numbers and found that it's cheaper to deal with the angry people that have problems than it is to push back the release date. Unfortunately, people tend to be optimists when they really want something.


Yep...I think the most effective thing to do would be to refuse to buy the product until the major bugs are patched. That way if they wanted the sales they'd hurry up and get things fixed.


Yep, which is why I usually don't buy games when they're first released. I usually wait for a patch or find the game really cheap on eBay or something.


I do believe it's a problem. In my experience it's not much different than most other game releases, though. I'm not saying it's not wrong...just that it's not unexpected. The tech forums for just about every game I've ever owned have been swarmed with people with problems. It svcks, but I'm just not singling out NV as being particularly worse than a lot of others. It's not lost on me that the fact that I'm not having major problems doesn't mean that other aren't.

The reason I say not to panic is that it usually leads to the community flaming rather than helping each other. If you look in some other threads people are already discovering some temporary workarounds for the slowdown problems. Things like that come from the community keeping their wits about them and helping each other. As frustrated as we are, it's better for us to stay calm and vote with our wallets than it is to turn on each other.

Yeah, pretty pathetic release, but not worst all time. What pisses me off most is that they are selling the game for fifty bucks through digital distribution and not passing the savings onto the consumer.

It is ridiculous that an engine this old makes my i7 960, nvidia 480 sputter. Absolutely ridiculous.

I'm no longer buying games on release, it's just not worth the headache. Seriously considering not paying for games anymore. There is no incentive for pc gamers to be honest anymore.

I've been doing that for awhile now, but more due to 95% of the games out there are not worth $50+ on release day. ($/content) Not when I can compare the $50+(each) I spent on Morrowind/Oblivion/Fallout3/FalloutNV. Bethesda games (TES/Fallout series) are the only exceptions were I will pay full price on release day because I know I am getting my moneys worth. Plus someone in the community always comes with fixes for the issues that arise so it's normally not a long wait to play these games.

I had a blast with Borderlands for the $17.99 I payed for it, bug free. Bioshock 2 was grand at $19.99, bug free. All issues had been patched by that point. (At least I discovered none.)

but seriously, did they beta test this at all?

Its literally unplayable.

I'm going to go play Minecraft. Which is still in alpha. Which is made by a single person. Which still has less bugs than this.

worst launch I ever saw was Battlefield 2142, the beta was more stable than the launch game. It was so bad they released a patch the day before it came out. or All points bulletin, the game only lasted 3 months before the devs went bankrupt.

The launch for New Vegas may have been the worst thing ever for a lot of people but at this point whats important is how well Obsidian handles it. Hopefully we'll have forgotten about this a few months from now..

You are literally abusing the use of the word 'literally'. I am at least halfway through the game with only one crash and some minor weirdness with clipping and such. Nothing game-breaking.

So no one played S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl or Clear Sky? You people don't know what pain and bugs are until you play the fresh release versions of those. The modders made it right, but it took awhile. Unfortunately, it seems like this is what Bethesda/Obsidian are emulating.

Ha, I take it you didn't play Elemental. No that was and probably still is a mess.

I'm having fun with New Vegas so far.

Except for the issue that i just posted about (not being able to get into the strip since patch) I have had no issues with this game. Graphics are perfect running full steam, no audio problems, and just that annoying quick save issue which i save my own files so i use those. I'm trying to figure out why everyone is having these issues when I'm seeing people posting Computer specs which are higher than mine.

Am I the only one who has had absolutely no problems with this game? (Bug wise, but it is also really fun)

Although, you gotta love that spinning head glitch some people are getting.

Battlecruiser 3000AD.
Buggiest gamesas release probably goes to Daggerfall.

Worst Bethesda release has to have been Pirates of the Caribbean for Xbox (could have been a really fun game btw). That too was the result of sticking to release date regardless of bugginess.

Nextrmastermind, I have no problems either.

Softnerd. You are the most patient person on Earth, I wish I could be like you. I'm not making a joke, either.
I totally understand where you're coming from and all that, and I totally respect you for taking the time to explain things calmly and rationally.

There was a game that made Battlecruiser 3000AD almost forgotten in terms of unplayableness. Master of Orion 3.

It took a long time before the AI in the game was fixed to the point it did something.

My game is running great, no problems - not even with the saves since I never rely on autosave and quicksave anyway. Manual save is something ingrained in my gaming habits a long long time ago.

I've been having a total blast with the game, (literally, I blew my own legs off with dynamite earlier today!)

The only problem (not a bug) that I have is I'm such a packrat... I'm always becoming encumbered.

The only problems I've had so far has been the well known FPS drop around NPC's, that has been fixed with a DLL file though. and once deputy Beagle got his head stuck in the ceiling :blink: actually it was pretty funny, after a quick reload the problem was fixed.

WORST PC game launch ever?

HA HA HA... I laugh at that my friend. not even close!

I feel it is safe to assume you never played "Star Trek Online"?... Dear God i still have nightmares about that release, and every time i THINK about that *%&#*% Game launched it fills me with such negative emotions....

Words cannot express how bad that was overall... and the horrible thing with it?... Nothing got fixed and its just as bad now as it was then.