TotalBiscuit gives his opinion on TES:O! : Othor Games

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:24 am

TotalBiscuit is by no means a "nobody", stop living under a rock. And take "the Wise" out of your name; anybody who is truly wise isn't arrogant enough to brand himself as such, and definitely wouldn't just slap an ad hominem attack on somebody else's (much more well thought out) argument.

I respect what he is saying but..

You know what,it don't matter what TB says or anyone who agrees with him,the game is getting made and trust me,many will buy it.You can either hate it or like it but nothing is going to stop this game coming out so TB and the rest of the angry mob can play something else,perhaps Tera or GW2 which still has tab targeting as well but he fails to mention that.

He has been playing MMO since WOW,i've been playing since UO,suppose i am better equip than TB to talk about MMO,right?

This is the same guy who gave swtor glowing reviews when it came out lol.

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:50 pm

I pretty much agree with the video.

TB and the rest of the angry mob can play something else,perhaps Tera or GW2 which still has tab targeting as well but he fails to mention that.

Uhm, TB didn't sound very angry about it, he seemed pretty neutral to me.

» Tue May 15, 2012 1:11 am

Don't get all upset - I think he's more a comedian than an expert. I've played multiplayer online games since MUDs before UO or EQ. I really don't need his opinion to help form mine, but I find him funny.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:28 pm

Don't get all upset - I think he's more a comedian than an expert. I've played multiplayer online games since MUDs before UO or EQ. I really don't need his opinion to help form mine, but I find him funny.

What makes me laugh is that he had no problem with SWTOR tab targeting classic MMO system before it came out less than six months ago even though Tera and GW2 were making the type of MMO they were.He also makes the excuse for SWTOR that it was a stand up IP lol,i can't take anyone seriously who gave SWTOR glowing reviews even after playing it in beta.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:11 pm

1 - Change art design as much as possible to make it look like original TES games (traditional medieval look).

Because space-travel and internet transmissions and ash-grounded-dark-elven-kingdoms-filled-with-insects-for-fauna is soooo medieval.

I think that people are being really too pessimistic about this game that we know next to nothing about.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:20 pm

Why?
You prefer TES:O to be outdated and therefore have high chances of failing?

Yes, but he could still check out the background of TB a bit before making such claim.

Yes, but that system is overdone, outdated and is getting pretty boring by now.
If you want it, then go play other 183956932863 MMOs which are using it.
Real TES fans want to TES:O to be great game which will make justice to the franchise.

Also, stop labeling people who don't agree with you about this as haters since all of them actually give pretty damn good reasons for their negative opinions.

TES:O will be a great game, there is no doubt about it.
The problem it has is that there are tons of games like it already!
Not to mention that lot of them are free.
Speaking of free; how does TES:O, a MMO which will have a monthly fee, means to compete with GW2, a MMO which will not have a monthly fee and improved and up to date gameplay?

To sum it all up, there are two major things which are screwing up TES:O:
1 - Out of date boring combat.
2 - It doesn't look like TES!

I know that a lot can't be done about it at this point, but they should do their best in order to fix those two.

Wise words!

» Tue May 15, 2012 2:17 am

Why?
You prefer TES:O to be outdated and therefore have high chances of failing?

Yes, but he could still check out the background of TB a bit before making such claim.

Yes, but that system is overdone, outdated and is getting pretty boring by now.
If you want it, then go play other 183956932863 MMOs which are using it.
Real TES fans want to TES:O to be great game which will make justice to the franchise.

Also, stop labeling people who don't agree with you about this as haters since all of them actually give pretty damn good reasons for their negative opinions.

TES:O will be a great game, there is no doubt about it.
The problem it has is that there are tons of games like it already!
Not to mention that lot of them are free.
Speaking of free; how does TES:O, a MMO which will have a monthly fee, means to compete with GW2, a MMO which will not have a monthly fee and improved and up to date gameplay?

To sum it all up, there are two major things which are screwing up TES:O:
1 - Out of date boring combat.
2 - It doesn't look like TES!

I know that a lot can't be done about it at this point, but they should do their best in order to fix those two.

I have nothing against him personally and yes he is entitled to his opinion but he falls down because of his glowing reviews of SWTOR when that game has the same old MMO combat.Strange that he had no problem with it less than six months ago even though he had played GW2 and Tera but still gave SWTOR the glowing reviews he did.

Even in this latest vid he tries to make excuses for SWTOR by saying it's a stand up IP,TES isn't?

No MMO is perfect,i should know I've been playing them since UO but don't be a hypocrite and make out that you don't like the old style of MMO gaming when you give SWTOR the thumps up.

You don't need WOW subs to be a successful MMO,250k at $15 a month will do it,( i might have missed this info but you are quite okay to link me where the devs say it will have a monthly fee)how do we know that it's not going to be a BTP/FTP mmo with cashshop like GW2 or TSW or Neverwinter Online.

More info will come out about the game over the next months and i am going to bet my last pound that he changes his tune along with many of the others jumping on the crying train.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:44 pm

i pretty much agree with him, change the combat system and itll be fine

» Mon May 14, 2012 4:23 pm

Spot on

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:11 pm

The only video the link bought be too was a vid by total halibut showing some turned based game with some little dude on a horse, I didnt have sound because of where im at, what the heck was that all about? Then underneth I did see comment about tes online.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:50 pm

Maybe that's why it failed; it focused only on Korea.
Doesn't change the fact that it's still trying to be innovative and bring something new to the genre.

Have you actually played Tera?

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:34 pm

But he liked SWOTR's combat :facepalm:

» Tue May 15, 2012 1:12 am

But he liked SWOTR's combat :facepalm:

Lol,this is where his credibility falls down,how can anyone take him seriously.

» Mon May 14, 2012 5:55 pm

To be perfectly honest, Total Biscuit is a poor gaming commentator, he often lets his personal opinion colour his reviews to the point of being completely biased. His general industry view and diatribes about such matters are often entertaining. But I would never go to the man to get a decent objective view, his Dear Esther review was a travesty.

Reviews are personal opinion. That is literally all they are, in a business suit.

My personal opinion is I generally tend to disagree with him from what little of his stuff I've seen, although he has amazing comedic chemistry with Dodger and Jessie on the TGS podcast.

» Tue May 15, 2012 4:04 am

hes mostly entertainment, but hes right there, and no im not justsaying everything he says is right, i strongly disagree about many statments he makes about dota (mainly denying beeing bad, its amazing) but hes just right on TESO

» Tue May 15, 2012 5:16 am

People must just want 'yes men' surrounding them... but I digress...

Face it. The only way Zenimax thought this abortion of a game they've made was a good idea was exactly because they surround themselves only with yes men and fanbots.

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:29 pm

Face it. The only way Zenimax thought this abortion of a game they've made was a good idea was exactly because they surround themselves only with yes men and fanbots.

Alternatively, and this is far fetched, humanity isn't programmed to agree with your opinions on this matter. Briefly, some folks may GASP, like MMOs. Shocker, I know.

» Mon May 14, 2012 1:45 pm

I too do not agree with the whole "Elder scrolls combat svcks"
I have pretty similar opinions about the rest...

Something that he immediately points out and that is my main concern is.. this game is not made by bethesda, not made by the same team.
Thus the reason why it doesn't look nor play anything like it

» Mon May 14, 2012 9:05 pm

Briefly, some folks may GASP, like MMOs.

And if they want WoW or GW2 gameplay, they will play those games instead, not TES:O. Best case scenario, TES:O will probably see the same kind of numbers SWTOR had: subscriber count plateauing 6 weeks in, declining 3 months in, and ultimately failing to topple WoW.

I too do not agree with the whole "Elder scrolls combat svcks"

Morrowind's combat was a game of dice rolls and abusing levitation (and cliffracers). Oblivion's combat was a game of mashing left mouse button against uber damage sponges, or abusing the level scaling and not allowing yourself above level 1 so you can stomp everything from mudcrabs to Mankar Camoran with ease. Skyrim's combat is an improvement but still lackluster in light of the combat in games such as Dark Souls and Assassin's Creed.

» Mon May 14, 2012 11:50 pm

This guy knows what he's talking about, I'm sure. It looks like it'll be a great MMO. But that's just it, part of me feels like TES was never meant to be an MMO.

» Mon May 14, 2012 10:13 pm

Morrowind's combat was a game of dice rolls and abusing levitation (and cliffracers). Oblivion's combat was a game of mashing left mouse button against uber damage sponges. Skyrim's combat is an improvement but still lackluster in light of the combat in games such as Dark Souls and Assassin's Creed.

I'm not very fond of Assassin's creed combat..
Don't get me wrong is very spectacular, but counetmove is pretty much the only thing you need to win.
About Oblivion/Skyrim combat the problem is not the Combat System, is the AI of the enemies...
On a multiplayer game, that system in PVP would function pretty well IMHO.

» Mon May 14, 2012 6:17 pm

I'm not very fond of Assassin's creed combat..
Don't get me wrong is very spectacular, but counetmove is pretty much the only thing you need to win.

Yes, countermove is extremely OP (except in the first game IIRC), but even if you play the game abusing it the combat still comes out to be more engaging than TES's. AC has the other major problem of no switchable difficulty levels, though; not that they were implemented all that great in Oblivion and Skyrim.

» Tue May 15, 2012 4:56 am

Alternatively, and this is far fetched, humanity isn't programmed to agree with your opinions on this matter. Briefly, some folks may GASP, like MMOs. Shocker, I know.

I like mmos. I might even have liked a TES mmo. But I do not like the currently planned incarnation of a TES mmo. It's nothing but a mocking parody of real TES games. Even EAware (SW:ToR) treated the KotOR IP better than Zenimax (TESO) is treating TES ( and that's saying a lot since SW:ToR is a colossal clusterfluck ).

» Tue May 15, 2012 12:30 am

I disagree with him on one thing: I really love the combat in Skyrim and even if Oblivion and MW combat systems are flawed, I still prefer it to third-person and/or hotbar combat.

» Mon May 14, 2012 12:59 pm

Nice video. Though from what I've read in the article it's not entirley certain or explicit that the combat system is exactly that outdated model. We'll just have to wait and see :shrug: