Totalitarian Surveillance : Othor Games

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:08 am

So, I saw an article in the New York Times (You can read about it at bloomberg.com as well) about the new joint NYPD-Microsoft city-wide surveillance program, which will allow the NYPD to track people through face-recognition software and, if possible, display their personal information. According to the article, Indiana and Michigan are also participating in similar projects. The project motto, which can be found on their website, "citywidesurveillanceproject.com is "safety over privacy".

This got me thinking, politics and constitutional rights aside, how do you feel about law-enforcement watching you through cameras?

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:47 pm

This got me thinking, politics and constitutional rights aside, how do you feel about law-enforcement watching you through cameras?

I wouldn't mind it, if the politics were different. But they aren't, so I don't like it.

Oh well.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:10 am

Big brother is watching!

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 9:50 pm

As long as they understand that my personal uranium enrichment project is only intended to be used for peaceful purposes, I don't have any problem with it I suppose.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:07 am

There are sub routines added to the software by the company to leave my face out of the database if verified, and there's a serious security clearance needed to display anything but my cover file. :ninja:

I'm like Book in that way :cool:

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:08 pm

i'll just make funny faces whenever i walk around those cities.

i don't really have a problem with it since it does not enter my house or property. I would not feel as though my privacy is taken away since i wouldn't do "private" things in the public where other people can see me much less city surveillance.

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:16 pm

Sounds like the world is getting one step closer to minority report! :biggrin:

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:45 pm

An easier way to arrest people they don't particularly like. And they have tried to master that "art".

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:57 pm

If I ever go to NY, remind me to wear corpse-paint and carry spare clothing :\.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:37 am

Blimey, the yanks are trying to catch up with us Brits in state surveillance control freakery.

"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever."

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:45 am

Blimey, the yanks are trying to catch up with us Brits in state surveillance control freakery.

It's their competitive culture; they just *have* to do it bigger and better. Anything else would be Unamerican :ohmy:

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EDIT: Part of my country's culture is making fun of everyone (if you give us the slightest opening... and we'll still try even if you don't), so please realise that the above is mostly a joke :hehe:

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» Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:19 pm

"Society is like the grains of sand on a beach -in an open hand many can be held in place, but once the fist starts clenching shut, more and more grains will escape through the fingers."
-written by a really smart git I read once, forgot who though..

"See, what they really need is a bucket."
-me, after reading what I just read..

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:02 am

"Society is like the grains of sand on a beach -in an open hand many can be held in place, but once the fist starts clenching shut, more and more grains will escape through the fingers."
-written by a really smart git I read once, forgot who though..

"See, what they really need is a bucket."
-me, after reading what I just read..

That reminds me; I can only see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoanarchy growing in significance over the coming decades. I would not be surprised to see it penetrate the general populace.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:44 am

I can see Google getting ansty about it. How dare someone try to edge into their world domination schemes. There will be war before long.

Google Streetview cars will descend upon New York.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 4:14 am

That reminds me; I can only see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptoanarchy growing in significance over the coming decades. I would not be surprised to see it penetrate the general populace.

Encryption keys higher than 'x' number of bits are considered munitions in the US.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:47 am

As a law abiding citizen I shouldn't care because I will never do anything to warrant the cameras attention. As a Freedom loving American I hate the idea of someone watching my every move in the name of security (and they'll probably throw "terrorism" and "Al Quida" around a few times just to scare the stupid people)

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 3:04 am

I'm not an American but I generally don't have any qualms with the notion of mass surveillance, provided the people manning such a programme are competant and can actually catch criminals. I personally don't buy into the "synicism" that such systems are against freedom or justice whatever, the same type of people condemmed he UK identity card programme as "totalitarian"; herding people into containers (in the desert no less) before drilling them with holes is authoritatian, domestic security is not - I have a little more faith in my country than that.

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:58 pm

As a law abiding citizen I shouldn't care because I will never do anything to warrant the cameras attention. As a Freedom loving American I hate the idea of someone watching my every move in the name of security (and they'll probably throw "terrorism" and "Al Quida" around a few times just to scare the stupid people)

So when do you stop being a law abiding citizen then? When the cameras are in your bedroom and the security officers monitoring are posting on twitter about your apparent lack of expertise in the boudoir?

"Anyone willing to trade freedom for security, deserves neither and ends up wondering how the hell they lost both."
-another smart git I read about once, name was Ben.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:16 am

As a law abiding citizen I shouldn't care because I will never do anything to warrant the cameras attention. As a Freedom loving American I hate the idea of someone watching my every move in the name of security (and they'll probably throw "terrorism" and "Al Quida" around a few times just to scare the stupid people)

Government should fears its own citizens, not citizens fearing their government.

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:13 am

So when do you stop being a law abiding citizen then? When the cameras are in your bedroom and the security officers monitoring are posting on twitter about your apparent lack of expertise in the boudoir?

That's not unrealistically expensive or unmanagble (not to mention hyperboyle).

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:02 pm

Encryption keys higher than 'x' number of bits are considered munitions in the US.

That's what disguises are for :shifty:

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Like munitions, cryptology is an arms race; ~~as soon as~~ before anyone has come up with a way to beat one technique, someone is developing another without that vulnerability.

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:53 pm

So when do you stop being a law abiding citizen then? When the cameras are in your bedroom and the security officers monitoring are posting on twitter about your apparent lack of expertise in the boudoir? "Anyone willing to trade freedom for security, deserves neither and ends up wondering how the hell they lost both." -another smart git I read about once, name was Ben.

Trust me, they don't wanna see what goes on in my bedroom. :hubbahubba:

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 5:29 pm

"Society is like the grains of sand on a beach -in an open hand many can be held in place, but once the fist starts clenching shut, more and more grains will escape through the fingers."
-written by a really smart git I read once, forgot who though..

"See, what they really need is a bucket."
-me, after reading what I just read..

I thought the top part was deep.

Then I laughed really hard at what you wrote. :laugh:

» Thu Aug 16, 2012 7:18 pm

Government should fears its own citizens, not citizens fearing their government.

And when crime runs rampant through the overpopulated worlds of he future will such pretty sentiments keep you safe? Cameras on the streets that can recognise faces from files, the topic at-hand, you think that's going too far?

» Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:11 am

That's not unrealistically expensive or unmanagble (not to mention hyperboyle).

Really? There have been security companies using the existing in house webcam technology and remote access to provide coverage of vacant summerhouses in the south of France. Only one small step from there and we *are* there.

That's what disguises are for :shifty:

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Like munitions, cryptology is an arms race; ~~as soon as~~ before anyone has come up with a way to beat one technique, someone is developing another without that vulnerability.

Ah, you mean like the non existent four-96 MPEG emulator. :ninja:

Gotcha

Trust me, they don't wanna see what goes on in my bedroom. :hubbahubba:

Trust me, they agree :ph34r:

I thought the top part was deep.

Then I laughed really hard at what you wrote. :laugh: