do you really still enjoy it over 3 and 4? ^^

I currently started playing it and I barely see any advantages over the Bethesda Fallouts

the game really hasn't aged well

the UI, the combat, the locations, the missing voice on NPCs

I feel like I'm playing with a calculator, rather than playing a game

I really do not care about the graphics, but the rest of the game is as '1997' as they are

every single aspect of the game was completely overhauled in the last 18 years

They are two entirely different games, one being Turn Based ISO View and the other being First Person Real Time. So, you have to get past that first. Also, there are mods that improve how the game looks on modern monitors, mostly by allowing you to see more of the game world at once.

Some of the people involved with the first Fallouts are making this game which is also Turnbased Isometric

https://wasteland.inxile-entertainment.com/

I am not a huge fan of Turn Based Games, but you should also look at Planescape:Torment, particularly modded so you see all the dialogs and the graphics update. That is the epitomy of an RPG.

In any event, it is not the snazzy graphics that makes Fallout Fallout, it is the dialogs, the quests, the stories.

You can get an HD patch for both FO 1 and 2 as well. But yeah, it not graphics. And yeah, I would rather play FO 1 than FO 3, not so much yet FO 4, but 4 is new.

News flash: People like games for different reasons, and a lot of those reasons have nothing to do with how dated the gameplay and interface are. Temple of Apshai was still a good game in '97. Fallout is still a good game now.

Absolutely boggles me how people refuse to understand that.

That's probably the point for many people who got into the franchise with F3 and FNV (like me).

I really don't care about the graphics (I'm a really old gamer - believe me, I've seen much worse...) but it's quite difficult to retro-fit myself to the controls.

Playing F1 is a little like watching a documentary about how something or someone got famous.

This - so much this!!! The story, the players actions actually matter, the amazing/epic NPCs, the interesting locales, the factions... that is what Fallout is all about! It's a story about survival, about hope and rebuilding the world!

Oh and I did play Fallout 1 "today". I got it right after finishing Fallout 3 and Fallout NV, because I wanted to see how/where it all began!

Yes, I still enjoy playing Fallout: A Post Nuclear Role Playing Game whenever I get the chance to play it. I can play all three of them, Fallout 3, and Fallout: New Vegas twenty years from now, thirty years from now. I can play any video games forever.

I don't know if I will ever get to purchasing Fallout 4.

Considering I've just finished it again very recently, I'd say it aged better than Fallout 3. visuals look great, writing is still good, and barring the clunky UI the gameplay is still fun.

Fallout 3 nowadays, without mods, is unplayable for me.

Yes.

The fact that you don't seem to know how broad the term "game" is aside, why do you feel like that?

I would say while generally the writing is better, the game underachieved in the cool ideas and quests. It is too much of an action game, which makes it feel nothing like Fallout and more like an advanced Far Cry. In the old Fallout games, combat was just another option. You could navigate the world and almost every single map zone without any combat. It was there, if you went looking for it, you COULD get all the combat your heart desired. To me, this game more than even FOT feels like more of a spin off, an action game set in the FO Universe. So many cool locations that lack depth and interaction. Sigh.

I still like the original Fallout game a great deal, its good fun. Don't really care that much about the graphics, the style used in those late 90's early 2000 Isometric games hold up fairly well today. Still i will never play without the HI-Rez mod, its much needed. Quest wise its not exactly the most exciting, but its fairly interesting, and i do enjoy the Brotherhood of Steel in that game, when i look at Fallout 4 i see the BoS inspiration mostly from the original. The way the power armour looks, and how they move in it etc. Nice callback, in my opinion. I still like Fallout 2 better, but mostly because of the dialogue. I think each Fallout game brings something very different to the table, and i am glad it changes up abit every now and then, even if it causes controversy.

Usually I do not care for it too. Seriously, when revealed this new KoF and everyone was complaining, I did not understand why. Once specified that it was because of the visual, I finally understand.

But the little variety of NPCs is annoying. Worse, they repeated the same in F2. There's even a joke that the Chosen One says it's something like this: since I leave Arroyo, I always seem to encounter the same ten people worldwide.

if you played neither, then I guess the question is do you want to shoot stuff and adventure in the post apoc or go the fantasy route. I played Wasteland 2 to completion and liked it, and I have Pillars but haven't jumped into it yet. Prolly will now that I can't hardly bring myself to play FO 4.

Depends. Wasteland 2 is basically a modernized Fallout 1 and 2 (it has very little in common with Wasteland 1 beyond its setting/story) with better combat but weaker role playing than Fallout. Pillars of Eternity is a modernized Baldur's Gate with stronger writing and role playing but a weaker overall story than Baldur's Gate.

Personally I preferred Pillars since it felt more professional, and I'm a svcker for good role playing. Both are great games that are worth playing eventually, though.

Well the research you did is totally mistaken. In FO 1 and 2 sure, you have to blow places up which kills stuff, but you don't have to enter combat in either of them. In 2 you can assassinate Richardson via many ways(super stimpacks) and with Horrigan you can talk the Enclave squad and use the turrets to defeat him, never holding a gun yourself. Yes, you blow places up, yes people die, but you can play the games rarely even entering combat if you so desire(although in FO 2 this requires some quests to never be completed, or areas avoided, raider base, mariposa).

Also what makes it an advanced Far Cry is the non stop action. I don't hate action games, I hate that Fallout 4 has become an action game instead of an RPG. It is horrible that there is one skill check in the entire game, actually, it is a Stat check, because there are no skills. If you follow the MQ of FO 4 it is non stop fighting and killing from your first mission. Just because a game has a story doesn't make it an RPG, you just admitted that yourself.

Really? Please do enlighten me on the quests that can be completed without any violence in FO 4. There are raiders, super mutants, ghouls and various mutated critters all over, going from point a to point b you are bound to run into something that is going to force you into combat or run away, so yeah, it is action packed, and clearly from a design standpoint. If it wasn't by design you could play the game with zero combat or constant running for your life, which you will be forced to do one of the two, fight or flee(and eventually you are going to have to fight).