1.8 UpdateDragonborn DLC discussion thread #47

Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:10 pm

Official information
Officially called Dragonborn.
Sadly, on 360, presumably, as a 30 exclusive 360, on December 4th 2012 for 1600 Microsoft Points.
It is marketed as a game Add-On, like Dawnguard and Hearthfire. Take what you will from that....

Teaser picture http://cdnstatic.gamesas.com/bethblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/681455957.jpeg.
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s.

Observations
Video contains information about some ex-Dragon-Priest-come-hipster-Dragonborn who ruled over Solstheim and liked to eat dragons. He makes a return in Dragonborn.

Links to interesting parts of the video and their respective stills.
Spoiler
Partial boatride 0m04s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=4s) (http://i.imgur.com/3Hihm.jpg)
Overview of Solstheim 0m23s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=23s) (http://i.imgur.com/jpKVN.jpg)
Telvanni Architecture 0m25s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=25s) (http://i.imgur.com/vWbdc.jpg)
Netch 0m27s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=27s) (http://i.imgur.com/jJKdz.jpg)
Dunmer village 0m28s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=28s) (http://i.imgur.com/TGLpk.jpg)
Miraak temple 0m38s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=38s) (http://i.imgur.com/2uPWc.jpg)
Standing stone 0m39s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=39s) (http://i.imgur.com/l52BX.jpg)
Tentacles from book grabbing Dragonborn, presumably taking them into Hermaeus Mora's realm 0m40s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=40s) (http://i.imgur.com/ykgJE.jpg)
Telvanni Architecture 0m47s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=47s) (http://i.imgur.com/lgnUK.jpg)
Dragon riding 0m50s and 1m10s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=50s and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=70s) (http://i.imgur.com/7RMDt.jpg and http://i.imgur.com/QSuI2.jpg)
Bonemold Armor 0m50s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=50s) (http://i.imgur.com/yjU6P.jpg)
Scourge (axe) 0m56s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=56s) (http://i.imgur.com/Z9DlP.jpg)
1H spears (NPC) 0m59s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=59s) (http://i.imgur.com/3UxYb.jpg)
Gravedigger (sword) 1m03s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=63s) (http://i.imgur.com/DKRcu.jpg)
2H spears (NPC) 1m05s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=65s) (http://i.imgur.com/a7bAn.jpg)
Stalhrim armor 1m05s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=65s) (http://i.imgur.com/a7bAn.jpg)
Rieklings and rieklings on boars 1m05s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRmdXDH9b1s#t=65s) (http://i.imgur.com/a7bAn.jpg)
(give me more links and I'll put them here, append #t=XXmYYs to the video URL for timecode)

Albums containing the same + more stills.
http://imgur.com/a/8ezW3
http://imgur.com/a/l4yL2 (Can you identify some of these?)

Every frame from the trailer http://www.mediafire.com/?ymyt9gap5k2w1xi


Speculation
Boat Arrival into what is likely where Raven Rock was.
Antagonist is a former Dragon Priest, as well as the first Dragonborn and had dominion over Solstheim
Redoran Architecture present in walled city.
Giant Mushroom foilage. Terraformed Solstheim or Nothern coast of Morrowind?
Several new Daedra - One of which looks eerily like the Sixth House priests in service to Dagoth Ur

Info found in 1.8 CK update
Player dragon mounts are in.
2 new Achievements out of, at least, 10 are Solstheim Explorer, of which you need to discover 30 locations, and Stalhrim Crafter

Info found in 1.8 Updates
The next DLC will be called Dragonborn and it will be set on the island of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Solstheim.
The main locations you will be able to visit are http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Raven_Rock, Miraak Temple, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Castle_Karstaag and a Telvanni tower (N.B.: Not the Telvanni Tower seen in Morrowind in Vivec, but http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Tel_Uvirith).
There will be some new armor types, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Bonemold, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Chitin, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Nordic and http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Bloodmoon:Raw_Stalhrim each having heavy and light classifications.
Out of these new materials, you will be able to craft new types items out of two of them, namely Stalhrim and Nordic.
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Spears will be added along with an array of new creatures/automotons, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Riekling#Riekling, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Scrib#Scrib, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Netch#Netch, http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Boar#Boar, Benthic Lurker, Ballista Centurion, and something with an internal name of HMDaedra, quite possibly referring to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hermaeus_Mora since it lists his plane of oblivion, Apocrypha. You will also be able to ride dragons and be in combat while mounted on one.

http://i.imgur.com/gF1hJ.png is what the quest header for Dragonborn Quests will look like, and http://i.imgur.com/AJu91.png is what the compass markers look like for the new locations.
From the top, clockwise: Telvanni Tower, To Solstheim, Raven Rock, Castle Karstaag, Standing Stones, To Skyrim, Miraak Temple.

There will be at least two new tracked stats: Dragonborn Quests Completed, and Stalhrim Items Crafted

You will travel to Solstheim via a boat, much like you did in Bloodmoon, although this time, it looks like you may at least get a partial visual boat ride.
The Telvanni tower has float up and down animations, so no levitation it seems.
Dragon riding will take place in its own world space

Mounted combat looks like it's getting an improvement with the ability to cast spells while mounted, tihs isn't necessarily a Dragonborn only thing though!

It appears that Update 1.8 readies Skyrim for PS3 DLC.

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Misinformation:
Weapon degrading -- There's nothing to indicate this is added, that isn't to say it can't/won't be added however. There was just no "new" information in this update. The degradation stuff seen previously has all been renemants from previous CK games (Fallout)
H2H stuff, That was my diff program messing up, sorry :)
Release dates -- No one but Bethesda knows!

Other stuff that I can't put my finger on or give intelligent guesses about because of lack of information
Miraak death animation, Chieftain animations, Chisel animations (perhaps new crafting station for the new armor.. doubt it though), Storn Death Reaction animation & Storn Suit Stages, Frea, Pray, StonePickUp, KillMoveDLC02RipHeartOut, TreeAmbush
There also seem to be a lot more animation files for running with weapons. No idea why.
Dwarven Ballista -- Possibly a new trap? http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Dwemer_Ballista#Dwemer_Ballista

Previous Threads
http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417057-time-for-some-spoilers-form-the-latest-beta/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417092-hints-found-about-the-next-dlc-found-in-18-beta/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417136-18-beta-update-and-dragonborn-dlc-hints-discussion/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417175-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417237-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hintsagain/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417280-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417375-18-beta-update-new-dlc-discussion/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417315-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417392-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-9/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417456-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-10/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417500-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-hints-thread-11/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417552-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-hints-thread-12/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417570-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-hints-thread-13/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417620-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-hints-thread-14/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417703-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-hints-thread-15/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417802-18-beta-update-solsheim-dlc-thread-16/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417929-18-beta-update-solsheim-dlc-thread-17/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418010-18-beta-update-solsheim-dlc-thread-18/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418096-18-beta-update-solstheim-dlc-thread-19/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418331-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-20/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418474-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-21/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418670-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-22/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1418874-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-23/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1419074-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-24/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1419436-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-25/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1419724-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-26/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1419844-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-27, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420204-18-betasolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-28, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420420-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-29/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420627-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-30/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420666-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-31/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420699-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-32/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420797-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-33/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420887-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-34/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1420987-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-35/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421043-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-36/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421094-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-37/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421130-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-38/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421151-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-39/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421157-18-updatesolstheim-dlc-discussion-thread-40/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421165-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-41/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421172-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-42/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421192-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-43/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421221-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-44/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421272-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-45/, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421326-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-46/

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All of the above is speculation over new strings found in the files from the 1.8 update, and should not be treated as facts or as any proof that any of it will even make it into the game! (but you all already knew that, didn't you!... Didn't you?) They were found by comparing 1.7.7.0 files with those in 1.8.145.0. The update to the Beta (i.e. 1.8.151.0) gave no new information.

You want proof, look at http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417392-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-9/page__view__findpost__p__21660925 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417392-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints-thread-9/page__view__findpost__p__21660876 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417175-18-beta-update-solsthiem-dlc-hints/page__view__findpost__p__21656816 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417057-time-for-some-spoilers-form-the-latest-beta/page__view__findpost__p__21653361, and http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1417092-hints-found-about-the-next-dlc-found-in-18-beta/page__view__findpost__p__21654653 for dragon riding. Also, http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1421192-18-updatedragonborn-dlc-discussion-thread-43/page__view__findpost__p__21749310 for the CK Update.

Also you can look through (my) Mardoxx' previous posts http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=search&andor_type=and&sid=dc5763cc2fa8668a67e4ba28567b4374&search_author=Mardoxx&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BsortKey%5D=date&search_content=both&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5Bforums%5D%5B%5D=118&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BnoPreview%5D=0&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BpCount%5D=&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BpViews%5D=&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BsortKey%5D=date&search_app_filters%5Bforums%5D%5BsortDir%5D=0&search_term=&search_app=forums&st=0

For official announcements, check http://www.bethblog.com/category/skyrim and the official forums here.

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Isaac Saetern
 
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:10 pm

yay
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Adam Baumgartner
 
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:03 am

So, who else thinks it could be Konahrik?
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:04 pm

I can't believe you're already on thread #47.
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Conor Byrne
 
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:18 am

Dec 4 is my birthday. Usually I don't do anything for my bd because I just don't care.

But this year? I'm buying myself an icecream cake, getting a sixer, and taking the day off work to play me some Dragonborn DLC. Ice cream cake and beer don't exactly go good together, but who cares!
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:54 pm

So, who else thinks it could be Konahrik?
I think it would be really cool if it was, but wouldn't there be a time space issue? The PC takes his mask from the past, and unless the one he is wearing in the DLC is a new one and not the same mask twisted by HM magic, that would mean he shouldn't have the thing. It is a really small issue that can easily be gotten around by just saying it was a different mask, but I want to know how and why old mask ended up where it is.

Actually I've always wondered what was the lore explanation for that whole thing. Was it just a display rack? Was it how they voted in their new leader (each priest assenting to the leader by offering their mask or the new leader taking it by force)?

Lots of question, and if it is Konahrik I hope those get answered. If not, I hope it is explained why the guy went rogue and such and how he fit in with the other priests of the Dragon Cult.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:21 pm

Is it certain that the dragonborn shown in the trailer is the antogonist?
At first I presumed he would be helpful towards the player.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:14 am

Dec 4 is my birthday. Usually I don't do anything for my bd because I just don't care.

But this year? I'm buying myself an icecream cake, getting a sixer, and taking the day off work to play me some Dragonborn DLC. Ice cream cake and beer don't exactly go good together, but who cares!
Why stop at 6 cans? I'ts your birthday, splash out a little? Saaaaaay.... a keg and a 20'bag?
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:50 pm

Is it certain that the dragonborn shown in the trailer is the antogonist?
At first I presumed he would be helpful towards the player.
No one knows if he is good or bad yet, but i think he may try to devour your soul, since you have the soul of a dragon also~
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:07 pm

No one knows if he is good or bad yet, but i think he may try to devour your soul, since you have the soul of a dragon also~
My thought as well. But wouldn't that happen if you kill him? And what about all the souls he has devoured? Do you get that power as well?

Big meta-physical issues that will probably be glossed over.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:41 pm

So, who else thinks it could be Konahrik?

I actually think he's the Greedy Man/Thartaag now.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:40 am

I'm not really sure about him being an antagonist.

I mean many on the forums currently assume that this Dragon Priest is Miraak, whose name seems to be composed of the words Guide and Allegiance. I think these two words might be a hint to his role to our character. Although it's also possible that he has sworn "allegiance" to Hermaeus-Mora and "guides" the worshippers of the Daedric Prince.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:17 am

Apparently there is a theory that miraak is the person behinf the 'friend' shout letters.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:52 am

Apparently there is a theory that miraak is the person behinf the 'friend' shout letters.

He must be pretty powerful to hear my Thu'um from Apocrypha. Unless Miraak is not the first dragonborn of course..
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:49 am

Apparently there is a theory that miraak is the person behinf the 'friend' shout letters.
Nope, it's Delphine.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:23 pm

Nope, it's Delphine.

Plus we dont even know if this guys name is Miraak.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:56 am

Plus we dont even know if this guys name is Miraak.

I think it's more likely than Konahrik, as we've already seen his mask and it definitely isn't the same one as the one this new guy is wearing. I think most people are going off of the fact that they show the pedestal that holds the dragon priest masks and the voice-over says "he was one of them" as literally meaning he was one of the nine whose masks are on the pedestal, instead of simply meaning "he was a high-ranking dragon priest". There is little known about this "Miraak" outside of there is a temple named after him.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:37 am

or "it". Allegiance Guid Temple doesn't have to be named after a person.
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Cedric Pearson
 
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:26 am

or "it". Allegiance Guid Temple doesn't have to be named after a person.

As listed in the first post, there was a death animation for Miraak datamined out of the patch files so I'm assuming he/she/it is an NPC.
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 1:22 pm

or "it". Allegiance Guid Temple doesn't have to be named after a person.

But the files that were added by the 1.8 Patch includes a file called "IdleDLC02MiraakDeath"
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 12:26 pm

crazy theory on the dragon priest who we stole his mask from the past what if those masks controlled the dragon priest like a mind control kind of thing and when we stole it cut ties with the wearer and to exact revenge on the dragons who enslaved him for so many years he started devouring their souls
anyone feel free to tear this apart just dont make it personal
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 10:02 am

As listed in the first post, there was a death animation for Miraak datamined out of the patch files so I'm assuming he/she/it is an NPC.

Ohh okay. That's interesting..
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 4:17 am

crazy theory on the dragon priest who we stole his mask from the past what if those masks controlled the dragon priest like a mind control kind of thing and when we stole it cut ties with the wearer and to exact revenge on the dragons who enslaved him for so many years he started devouring their souls
anyone feel free to tear this apart just dont make it personal

But it looks like he's still wearing his mask. So yes, it's a crazy theory. I'm sure that a lot of sweet moon sugar was needed to come up with it.
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Post » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:19 pm

But it looks like he's still wearing his mask. So yes, it's a crazy theory. I'm sure that a lot of sweet moon sugar was needed to come up with it.
well he had to get a new mask because we stole his old one maybe he got that later on when he pledged allegiance to HM in return for keeping him alive until the return of the dragons which is when he will escape the apocrypha and exact his revenge.... :banana:
and i prefer my moon sugar with a side of skooma
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Post » Wed Nov 07, 2012 7:53 am

I think it's more likely than Konahrik, as we've already seen his mask and it definitely isn't the same one as the one this new guy is wearing. I think most people are going off of the fact that they show the pedestal that holds the dragon priest masks and the voice-over says "he was one of them" as literally meaning he was one of the nine whose masks are on the pedestal, instead of simply meaning "he was a high-ranking dragon priest". There is little known about this "Miraak" outside of there is a temple named after him.

If the pedestal was featured in the trailer, doesn't it suggest it will also be relevant to this DLC? Maybe we are able to find Konahrik's mask because he traded up for a better model before settling in Solstheim.

I imagine they probably wouldn't use a clip of the pedestal from the vanilla game merely to lend emphasis to phrasing in the voiceover if it had nothing to do with the new content. Perhaps you must obtain Konahrik's Skyrim mask before you can begin this quest.
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