It's not really so much about being righteous about it, the moderators really really don't like it. Even if it is your opinion.

Haha awesome.

I don't understand the resentment against the timed exclusive. DLC, like all products, require resources (capital) to create. The ultimate quality of the product can not be divorced from the resources available for it's creation. The amount of resources the creator is willing to invest is not unlimited and has to be justified in terms of projected profits from the product's sales.

If Microsoft offers to invest additional capital over and above what the creators are willing to risk into the creation of a DLC in return for a timed exclusive, it's a win-win for everyone. Bethesda, with greater resources to work with is able to create a better product than they otherwise would have without Mircrosoft's investment. Microsoft gets the timed exclusive, but users on all platforms ultimately receive a product that benefits from the extra capital that goes into it's creation.

The only thing anyone loses is their patience, it seems.

All I did was say I don't like the 360.....stop back seat moderating.

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I'm with you. I own a 360 and have found it to be a let down. When the new chip sets come out next month I'll start building my gaming pc. At least then the only person I can blame for poor hardware performance is myself.

And that boy's and girls is how console wars are started.

If I would say: "God, I hate PC", then at least one person who uses PC for gaming would get mad at me and states the flaws of the Xbox 360/PS3/etc. Then someone else joins, who uses Xbox 360/PS3/etc. and says it's not true or that PC has much more flaws etc. Then it keeps going and going, until there's lots of people who keeps bashing Xbox 360/PS3/PC/etc.

This is why you never say anything negative about consoles.

If Microsoft didn't pay for the deal, the DLC for Xbox360 would most likely have the same date as PS3 and PC.
So if you think about it, the console itself did nothing.
Neither did Microsoft.

All Microsoft did was pay so Bethesda would release the DLC early for the Xbox 360.
Microsoft didn't pay to delay the release date for PC and PS3.

I'm not stating things about the 360 itself. Only the crappiness of the timed exclusive deals that MS wouldn't be worried about if not for the xbox.

Lets not act like you're the harbinger of logic or something.

Yes, being being logical and looking at the big picture is such a horrible thing

Again, ppl aren't suppose to back seat moderate yet you guys are in the "not my problem so lets be honorable" mode.

If you were in my situation you'd be pissed too. Lets not act like you wouldn't.

Edit: BTW....you do realize that the argument that this will turn into a console war has caused more trouble than the actual, not present, console war talk.

Maybe you need to rethink your logic.

Well no, no I wouldn't. If the shoe was on the other foot you wouldn't find it 'crappy' at all and you know it. let's just say PC players have had PLENTY of features which were exclusively theirs (and boy was there some strutting about these); 2 specific examples being online play, which until this gen of consoles was unheard of outside the PC, and the ongoing monopoly of the CK and mods. Not to mention certain FANTASTIC games being PC only, like Civ.

Find me one console player who whines about how crappy it is that PC players get preferential treatment by getting the CK. then find me a PC player who cries about having to, heavens forbid, WAIT to play some DLC.

Boo. Hoo.

Your lack of comprehension astonishes even me.

Online play and mods are things PC didn't buy off a company thats game was multiplatform.

Also, for the record I'm not a troll and I try and stay fair. This means I wouldn't be blind to say "Boo hoo" as I would actually agree that it svcks to have to wait.

You guys are openly disregarding that this is a cheap trick. It's a multiplatform game.

As they say "you can't even smell the crap you're standing in".

What svcks more, having to wait for something, or never getting something? Doesn't matter whether it's paid for or not. When you, as a PC player, get just a taste of what console players have patiently dealt with for years upon years, you start flinging mud. I can't smell what I'm standing in over the rank hypocrisy thank you very much. PC players have had, and continue to have superior versions of just about every game out there. As soon as you get left out in the most minor way, you go off the deep end, ps3ers have taken this with more grace than you, and considering the poor deal they have gotten they have way more right to complain.

Well, based on what i've read on this and other forums and various reviews, i'll be waiting on this until i can get it for the same price as the F3 DLCs (10€). Had it been released for PC at the same time as XBox i would have had already bought it. I hope MS paid them enough to cover for the lost revenue from me and others who think like me

So i for one like this limited XBox exclusivity, for it saves me money

I think everyone has a reason to hate Microsoft with regard to Skyrim:

M$ most likely paid a nice amount of money to Bethesda to get Dawnguard exclusively for at least a month. I don't really blame Bethesda for taking it... I'm angry at Microsoft! I'm also wondering what they hope to achieve with this. I doubt any PC user will buy a crappy XBOX just to play Dawnguard a little earlier and most PS3 users either hate the XBOX or have both consoles anyway...

At the same time XBOX users should be angry too because the only reason you can't at least use PC-created mods on the XBOX is because Microsoft doesn't allow it. It's probably not possible to run the CK on the XBOX but at least most mods packaged as esm/bsa files should work on the XBOX, maybe even on the PS3. But neither Microsoft nor Sony, who even insist on checking updates prior to release, allow user generated content on their consoles...


As for consoles in general: I wish the rumored next-gen consoles would finally arrive so the outdated crap hardware of current consoles would no longer hold back the development of new titles. PCs could do SO much more right now but the limited memory, limited CPUs and limited graphics hardware of the current consoles is seriously limiting every multi-platform title.

Skyrim is a GREAT game and it looks awesome, even more so on PCs with mods. It's also an achievement to get a complex open world title like this to work on consoles, especially the severely memory limited PS3. But just imagine how much better this could have been if it was only targeted at current PC-hardware - even mid-range hardware - with much faster multicore CPUs, MUCH more memory and MUCH better graphics hardware.
The rumored next-gen consoles will at least catch up to current PCs although they will probably not surpass current high-end hardware. But at least they would no longer limit developers as much as the current consoles do...

No. I'm in 'looking at the big picture mode' which is paying attention to the fact that A.) MS payed Bethesda a substantial amount. They deserve something in return. B.) MS paying them improved the game C.) It gives longer bug patching for Pc/Playstation D.) MS wouldn't have let it on their console if they didn't, reducing sales and how much money Bethesda would spend to make it because predicted grossing would be reduced.

Big picture my friend. Big picture. How something is affecting 'you' isn't always what matters most .

I don't
Seriously its about time we had a bone thrown to us. PC guys get the mods.

Yay another thread were the xbox users are telling everyone to deal with it. We "may" be getting it in june and i will not be that mad or we we will get it in august/september and I will rage hardcoe.

Having even a small percent of your customer base wait two more months after your deal is over is not good, having half of your customer base wait, is laughable.
And i can sure tell you if xbox users had to wait two months after pc's to get dawnguard then they would be complaining too.

P:S dont use mods as an excuse you knew what you were signing up for you when you got it for consoles I:E no other console game has ever had mods.

Quoted for truth.

LBP and racing games with track editors would like to respectfully render your point invalid; they have shown we could have something similar. Not full fat, but it's possible.

Anyway, the potential for it to be later than 30 days after does not lie with MS, nor does it lie with 360 users. So why do we get the flak?

I never understand why people get so annoyed at timed releases, you were entertained playing the game before the DLC was released or even announced, so just keep playing it and having fun for the time or if you've done everything you possibly can then how hard is it for you to play another game while waiting.
Also complaining about it isn't going to help. Microsoft couldn't care less unless it was their own customers doing the complaining, there's nothing stingy about the money microsoft paid, all companies will do whatever they legally can to get ahead so its no surprise.

Back on topic, th next one is time exclusive too. Just so your not dissapointed!

All consoles have their perks.


Except ps3'S, at least when it comes to skyrim XP

Seriously though, I play on Xbox, and I'm happy to say I've never had any major bugs. Not cause Xbox is better, I'm just lucky.

I never said you did...

The XBox 360 version of Dawnguard being released first should be unsurprising. The reign of "PC-first" gaming is sadly....over, and has been some time now. Skyrim is a prime example of games being developed for the consoles FIRST....and then ported to PC. Bathesda realizes - like so many other game developers - that they need to put most of their money on the console market, first and foremost. Then, port it to the PC.........maybe.

Why? PC piracy, of course. This has been largely instrumental in crippling the developers' ability to make any money. Granted, the console is not 'piracy proof' but they're much more likely to recoup their investment money in developing a game for consoles first. And sometimes the only way anyone will ever get to play a particular game, is on a console. People who don't understand how the game development industry works, don't know that the investment to develop a particular game uses up money that they cannot recoup for literally years. They have to pay their artists, programmers and all the overhead operating costs during those years. They don't make ANY money on a particular game until it is released. So, like any other company who is trying to make money, they lose a lot of it due to piracy. There's been examples of games being so popular that people might think, "Oh, they're making billions on that game". Not so. The game was popular, but due to the pirates, they never actually SOLD very many actual game product. The pirates cracked the game, and had distributed it even before the game was released. While certainly not impossible, it's a lot more difficult to pirate console games, due to the hardware in the XBox, for example. Generally, the console has to be hardware-modified to accept the pirated games.

So, in a nutshell, if you're looking for a single place to put the blame for this kind of thing happening, then yes.....it's the pirates.