Well most can't see very far, some where glasses when no one is looking, and they all pretty much have to squint to read small hand writing. So yeah, pretty shortsighted I'd say.

That and he can't even effectively rule his own city yet expects to do better than the empire at ruling the country.

let's face facts:
At the end of the civil war---imperial side:Jarl elisif(seriously wtf is she supposed tu do for skyrim?She just complains for the death of Torygg).maven black-briar (a criminal who wears a noble dress),Jarl Idgrod Ravencore (a crazy old lady who looks permanentley under drugs)Jarl siddgeir (a boy who wastes the money of the hold in dresses and hunting).Jarl Kraldar(he's ok...doesn't hate the college of winterhold)Jarl Igmung ("I is invicible!!!My city is made of stone!!!loooool)Brunwulf free-winter(he's ok,but doesn' t look like he could give a damn about the war) Balgruuf (he sides with th empire just for fear,IMO).
---Rebel side:Jarl elisif(remember that her husband would have fought the empire,had ulfric asked him to do so).Laila law-giver(Albeit a bit naive,wants to get rid of criminals and corruption) That gal who take the place of Idgrod(A young miner,hard worker and smart lady)Jarl Degneir(Honest experienced jarl who cares for his people,The original jarl of winterhold(He's an Idiot but hey...does winterhold even count?)The silverblood dude in markarth(rich nobleman willing to fight the empire and get the reach rid of the forsworns)Jarl Ulfric(willing to bash thalmor arses and make his homeland great once again,knows the tu'hum,strong fighter)Vignar gray mane(leader of a strong family of warriors)

(for me jarl Sklald and the imperial gal of dawnstar are pretty much the same)

Concluding,the stormcloacks jarls seem more willing to fight the thalmors.Also,half of the soldiers of the imperial legion are not nords,but imperials,mostly fighting for profession,while the stormcloacks are all fighting for they're freedom.
Sorry for bad English.

The Thalmor are in Skyrim with Imperial support and protection under the terms of a treaty the Empire signed with the Dominion. The Empire in Skyrim functions as a meat shield for the Thalmor, making it impossible to deal effectively with them because the Empire will not allow it for fear of having to fight the Dominion themselves. Fighting the Thalmor directly while still under Imperial rule would put Ulfric as much at odds with the Empire as what he is doing now. He would still branded be a criminal and an outlaw under Imperial law and the Empire would either have to treat him as such or risk violating the WGC - something they are clearly unwilling to do. The end result would be the same in terms of civil unrest except with the downside (for Ulfric) of still having an Imperial puppet serving as High King.

That's funny because I have never once witnessed any Stormcloak Jarl attack any Thalmor. Hell I have never even witnessed SC soldiers doing so. There was once even a Thalmor patrol right outside Windhelm and the guards were just fine.

If you think about the events prior to Skyrim then you'll see that it's impossible NOT to side with Ulfric if you play as a Breton or a Dunmer.
The Stormcloaks are not more racist than the Imperials.

Even High Rock managed to fight off the Thalmor so the Nords would manage to do that with no problem.
The Imperial is way too big to control that much so they just bow to their enemies.
Talos worshipping is one of the most important things for the Nords so no matter what you do, the Imperials will crush the Nords will and that is a bad thing because the Thalmor want to unmen and undo the world and their army has ben decimated.

Your beloved Imperial Legion isn't exactly full of innocent heart-felt soldiers.

Speak with the good people of Dragon Bridge. Hesitating at first, making sure they won't get reprimanded, they start by saying "some mean-spirited folk have been passing through". They go on to say how the Legion sent soldiers through the town to scout out the bridge. The soldiers stayed at the inn and said they don't have to pay because they're risking their lifes protecting the civilians. Before that group left they helped themselves to the towns lumber supply and it that's not bad enough Azzada says one tried taking advantage of his daughter.

That's just awesome Bethesda writing.
I fought for the Stormcloakes and still see the Imperial Commander running around in Dawnstar even tho the Jarl always talks about how Dawnstar has been the town of Skyrim where the rebellion against the Empire was at its best.
And I can run dressed as a Stormcloak in an Imperial Legion camp and nobody gives a damn.
I can slaughter everyone in there but their captain still is marked as an essential NPC.
Just your typicall Beth lazyness

How so?They spawn everywhere, it's a just a gameplay thing.

the empire fell to a weakend group of thalmor, there is no way they a fit to rulem then, when they had the upper hand, they gave up and lost all of their allies, morale and the only small victory they hadm they cannot win against the thalmor now, the thalmor will come at them with their full forces and wont give them another chance like they had after they took the imperial city back

Stormcloaks do not like any race, except Nords, but I wouldn't mind if Laila Law-Giver was still a Jarl in Riften, she is the best. I hate Skald, he doesn't really care for his people. Brina Merilis cares more about Dawnstar than Skald.

I can agree with you with Maven Black-Briar, as she is more of a Criminal, and DOES NOT deserve to be Jarl.

Korir[Original Winterhold Jarl] is pretty much an Idiot, and doesn't deserve to be the Jarl. Kraldar is better than Korir, and doesn't blame the College of Winterhold about the Great Collapse.

Sorli the Builder[New Morthal Jarl] is very trustworthy, but some flaws are with her. She doesn't have experience in being a Leader[Excluding Stonehills Management]. Idgrod I can agree with you on that one. She doesn't deserve to be Jarl. I rather have her daughter, Idgrod the Younger, to be Jarl.

I can agree with you about Siddgeir, but one thing that I don't agree on is hunting. He doesn't spend on hunting, instead he spends on Mead and Ale. I rather have Dengeir as the Jarl of Falkreath.

Elisif would be on the Stormcloaks side, but alas, Ulfric Stormcloak murdered her husband, and doesn't trust him. Although, Ulfric deserves to be High King in his opinion, but Elisif has a legit claim to be High Queen.

Sure it could just be game mechanics, I bet it's more likely just how they operate though. Seems all they really do is kill other humans and the Thalmor hatred is nothing but talk.

1. How so? How bout the fact that there is a serial killer inside his very city? Seems the only cuase he is truely concerned with is becoming high king

2. Seem my above point in the last post.

Think about it this way.
The thalmor's army has been decimated and we all know that the Elves don't breed that fast so they can't rebuild their army that fast.
The Men and especially the Nords are known to build up their army really fast so we have Hammerfell, Skyrim, High Rock and probably loads of Dunmer because they owe the Nords for what they did after the Erruption of the Red mountain

I walked with Ulfric and Galmar as they left High Hrothgar for the Season Unending negotiation. Outside Ivarstead we met a Thalmor patrol. Hilarity and death (for the Thalmor) ensued.

That point that you brought up is one of the worst but one of those I probably read the most.
Even in our "civilized" world we have loads of serial killers running around who have not been caught yet.
So, yes he has a murderer running around in his city but he's at war and has to concentrate on bigger things.
And that guy hasn't killed that many persons AND the dragonborn manages to take him down

My friend was going to side with Stormcloaks, but then he kept civil. he is a nord

My other one is a nord and will join them.



My advice, if you play a nord join them or be civil...

But if you are any other races BESIDES Altmer (High Elf) Do imperials.


It's the same questline. Just different rights.


Imperials want to be Scaredy cats on the Thalmor
Stormcloaks want Worshipping Talos Back.

This my friends is the definition of irony.

Ah, now this would be a sight to see. I would want nothing more than to fight side by side with Ulfric killing one Thalmor justiciar right after the other.

You could make that case for anyone. There's plenty of serious crime in Solitude that General Tullius can lend a hand to but he's too busy staring at the same map with the little red and blue flags all day.

See what I'm saying.

Hasn't once ever happened for me.


You not liking an opinion doesn't make it bad I'm afraid. And the very fact that it's because of his little war that he can't handle other matters is exactly why I don't like him. All he is really amanging to do is get other humans killed. Sure if he wins the civil war patrols no longer happen, but it would have been way smarter IMO to just outright attack the Thalmor. He would have a much easier time getting the crown by fair claim that way I bet, and i can also bet he would get more supporters. Had he done something like that I'd support him.

There is a large difference between a serial killer and one Argonian who doesn't actually commit known crimes until the DB agrees to help him.

Explain me what's the difference between ONE murderer running around in Ulfric's City and a ton of murderers running around in the western world?

I looove to watch (and listen to) the two of them fighting. Especially Thalmors... (I think I've already told you that in this thread. But I say it again, anyway: if you want to hear two people who are really good at taunting their enemies, listen to Ulfric and Galmar at work!)