But i cant get over the fact that he has a bunch of racists [censored] at his back.And Windhelm is just full of them.Anyone else having a problem with this?

That is Nords in a nutshell

Imperial side is full of the same, only they act superior about it.

And it's only 2 people, who are not even part of the army, who bully the dunmer.

And if you think the Stormcloaks are just racists, hate to break it to you pal, but everyone on Tamriel hates everyone. And if actually want to real real racists, or as close to, in TES, play Morrowind.

Why do you want to join him? just asking.

i hate ulfric because of his voice and he seems like a [censored]. But when i made a patriotic nord character, i sided with him no problem because hes a nord that believes the same thing they do. Just make a character thats a nord i guess. Because to me a non nord doesnt belong with the stormcloaks anyway. I think i made over 15 characters before i made one that did the stormcloak questline. Its called re playability. Sure i personally might think ulfric is gay, but my character thinks hes a hero, so i have no problem siding with him when i want to.

Right, because everyone else just loooooves the empire.

I do like Ulfric's cause, but I feel his rebellion is incredibly short sighted and isn't in Skyrim's best interest. When going over the facts, I can't see how siding with Ulfric would benefit Skyrim in any way. Bethesda gave Ulfric a running headstart in the beginning with Ralof, the fact the empire is executing you etc. but I feel that isn't enough.

Depending on your race, you could always side with Ulfric to spite the prejudice of his men. If a dark elf were the third highest ranked soldier in the army and single-handedly turned the tide of war, it's going to do a lot to make people stop hating on dark elves - for example. Without getting too political, history is full of discriminated groups who have joined an army who didn't appreciate them. And their valor helped change perceptions and put an end to most of said discrimination.

Yeah i know there`s racists on both sides,just seems the imperials have less.


I want to kill Talius,mutual goals and all that xD

Well...all men and mer have a good excuse to hate each other if you subscribe to the Monomyth.
I see a lot of people say the Stormcloaks are shortsighted, but maybe you could give a few examples of this?

he's racist himself.

just listen to the people in windhelm. he is the nicest guy on earth, if it has to do with nords. all other races? he doesn't care

Like mentioned already, the Stormcloaks aren't mor racist than most Nords. It is just that it is more visible since they want to establish a national government without an overnational one.

Well put it this way. If the imperials stay in power for the time being you got:
Cyrodil + Skyrim + High Rock + Orsinium (most orcs join the legion anyway) VS the Dominion

If the stormcloaks get power, you got Skyrim Vs the Dominion.

The Thalmor arent stupid. The whole civil war is pretty much instigated by them. And even that dossier in the embassy shows they want the civil war to continue because it weakens the empire and skyrim at the same time. When everythong does fall apart, they'll just go take out the remainder of the empire, and then its skyrim vs dominion owned tamriel pretty much.

For the stormcloaks to be less short sighted here, they should just shut up, side with the empire, go to war against the dominion. Then AFTER the war if they still feel like their rights are being stomped on then they can have a civil war if they so choose and free skyrim if they want.
Not to mention the whole reason the civil war is going on is because talos worship is banned and nords revere talos. Well guess what, Talos is even more of an imperial diety then a nord diety (after all he DID unite all of tamriel under the empire)

To me it seems the stormcloaks are complaining about nothing. Even if they arent allowed to worship talos, well the nords were around for hundreds of years not worshipping talos when he wasnt a god, so come on, they managed to survive for years without talos's existence to begin with, then they surely can cope for a couple decades.
Plus they can still worship talos behind closed doors and no one even would know the difference. (its only the people that flaunt it that get kidnapped by the thalmor in the middle of the night)

I have no problem supporting the Stormcloaks, because my white self is not consumed by some sort of irrational self loathing and guilt, which i then bring with me into computer games.

You wouldn't have this problem if this scenario took place in Hammerfell, among Redguards, so stop being silly.

No. High Rock isn't part of the Empire. And neither is Orsinium.

The Empire and Skyrim are severely weakened but so are the Thalmor. They got their assess handed to them by the Redguards and are licking their wounds while plotting to weaken their enemies. More importantly, the Thalmor are only a part of the whole Altmer population. No one in the Dominion has any love for the Thalmor -- they fear them. Should the Altmer and/or Bosmer overcome their fear and get organized, then the Thalmor would have serious trouble staying in power.

Well, the racist part has already been covered in the thread, and I might be biased (being an Ulfric fangirl and everything ), but let me just say this: doing the Stormcloak questline was fun. Interacting with Ulfric and Galmar was fun, especially in the beginning (they have some pieces of dialogue that made me chuckle) and in the end (watching them fight, and even better, listening to them fight, is awesome).
Right now I'm doing the CW as a legionnaire, and I'm already bored. Tullius totally seems to lack humor. I doubt I'll do the Legion side again, but I know I'll do the SC side.

Of course, it helps if you are well aware that Ulfric as a character is capable of being both be a hero and an [censored]. If you think he's a completely good hero in shiny white armor who's all sweet and cuddly, you might be disappointed.

I think the Stormcloak rebellion IS the best thing for Skyrim and the Empire. If the Stormcloaks win, then they will surely have war with the Dominion. Despite the civil war the Empire and Skyrim know that their best interests are together. With the Empire down and almost out right now there needs to be a leader who is bold and daring and won't take the Thalmor laying down, which is Ulfric. Whether you like him or not he is needed to light a fire under all those who oppose the Thalmor and lead the charge. If Skyrim can prove they can hold off the Thalmor the most likely the Empire seeing the weakness will join in and hopefully land a death blow to the Dominion. In the worst case scenarios Skyrim is nearly wiped out by the Dominion, which will hopefully rally the other nations under a quasi Alamo "Remember Skyrim!!" war cry.

Firstly, no Thalmor=no reason to be a stormcloak. No Thalmor means no WGC, which means no ban on Talos. The Empire is recovering and aims to have a round two with the damn elves. Instead of the Stormcloaks rising up and taking the fight to the Dominion, they take it out on the Empire. Why would you fight the Empire? The Thalmor is the source of your problems. The THalmor's ultimate goal is to remove all traces of mankind, so every Imperial the Stormcloaks kill, and vice versa, they are only helping the Thalmor. Not to mention the fact that the Stormcloak rebellion was manufactured by the Thalmor and they aid them whenever they can. Elenwen was at Helgen to try and release Ulfric. Ultimately the Thalmor do not want a Stormcloak victory, but even so, a Stormcloak victory would probably doom the Empire and subsequently, Skyrim. With the removal of Skyrim, which has valuable resources and men, they are that much closer to destroying the Empire. If the Empire falls, Skyrim is by themselves. Or if the Dominion goes for Skyrim first, they are by themselves.

The only advantage the humans have is that they can reproduce quicker. The Great War, in the human perception, was a generation ago. Not so for the elves. So why are we throwing away our advantage on petty civil wars? Deal with the elephant in the room.

My character found it very easy to side with Ulfric because the game opens with the Empire trying to cut off my head.

What a lot of Imperial Milk Drinkers don't realise is that the first Emperors were Nords.

As a compromise they could make Ulfric Emperor of Tamriel and then I'll give my support to the Empire but until then they can get lost, we'll simply re-conquer Tamriel again and restore the bloodline of Talos.

The only reason the Altmeri have stuck their heads out of their books to try and take over is because the "Imperial" Empire got so slack.

Azrael
The Nord With The Sword

All sides act Racism. Best that you stay Neutral as long as you can. I joined the Imperial Legion to kill Ulfric Stormcloak, so that Windhelm can be a better place. Even though I hate both sides, I prefer joining the Legion.

The Imperial Legion acts very superior, and act if they are never racist. They are racist towards anyone who was born or came from Summerset Isle. The Altmer Legate in the Riften Imperial Camp was born in Cyrodill, so he isn't disliked.

The "Emperor" isn't really the emperor anyway. He is not dragonborn or a descendant of the Septims. He is a warlord who happens to sit on the throne. The Empire is not the same empire that was in Oblivion or in Morrowind. Its better off if a Nord takes a leadership position and re forms the empire again with Ulfric in charge. At least until the Thalmor are gone.

Excuse me for saying this, but how on earth is the Empire at all racist!?
The strength of the Empire is that it brings people closer to fight for the same ideals, namely law, order, tolerance, and free trade.

The way I see it, the Stormcloaks are hot-headed Nords who values tradition, honour and strength - which is all
well and good but when looking at the big picture they are fighting their only allies, The Empire. They keep murmuring about
how they'll never bow down to the Elves, so why the hell wage war on fellow men?

And think of the repurcussions of the Civil War. The common people will need time and ressources to rebuild - the Empire will
be to give them that, but the Stormcloaks will lack both.

And no, not all Nords are racist. Ralof doesn't seem to be racist for instace, and most of the legionaires in Skyrim are
Nords, and they are fighting for the ideals that the Empire is upholding.

The Nords would rather fight than live under semi surrender with the empire. If the empire won't fight, the Stormcloaks will.

You know that movie Braveheart?
In my honest opinion, I can compare the Stormcloaks with the Irish men in that movie.

Maybe your character has the same reason like Mel Gibson to join the rebellion? Because of a drama which affected your view on the empire badly?

not true, he is just thinking in terms of the war. he only helps those who may help him in skyrim dispite what others think of him. his reasoning behind only helping the nords? he helped the dunmer and they said "thanks for the tax free, rule free homes but go [censored] yourself," they refuse to help the stormcloaks so he decided to help only those few who may very-well join him (nords, honor bound to help skyrim and all that).

as for the rebellion itself, the empire will fall, there is no doubt in my mind the thalmor will over-take the empire because it is weak. mede surrendered when his only option was to advance, he gave the thalmor room to breath so they will come back stronger than ever and obliterate the empire, and this time, they will attack in full force and wont give them the same chance they had last time. the emprie may have been low on resources but they could easily have gotten help from others who knew the gravity of the situation (im sure the hist knows the thalmor's ultimate plans to unmake the world) and taken the fight to the thalmor, but they decided to not even try