Obviously the war between Werewolf’s and Vampires has been adapted in many ways in pop culture. Will Skyrim keep with them as fierce enemies? I’m picturing vampires armed with silver weaponry versus a group of pissed-off werewolf’s… would be sooo cool.

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Were they ever enemies in TES?

No they were never enemies...directly but


Werewolves all the way, that thing pwns so hard.

TES lore doesn't have werewolves and vampires as enemies per Underworld/Twilight/etc.

They're unrelated to one another, the creation of two different daedric princes, and have no special enmity (and generally no reason to interact with one another).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBXyisMipVE&feature=related

Molag Bal created vampirism.
Hircine created lycanthropy.

They aren't enemies.

The only enemy of Hircine I have ever heard of is... I put it in a spoiler tag in case it is a spoiler for Daggerfall, though if you are reading and posting in this forum, you probably don't care too much about spoilers...

I doubt they're best buddies, but I don't see it ever becoming a serious plot point.

Is there an actual precedent for a Werewolf vs Vampire war before the movie "Underworld?" I mean, it wasn't a terrible movie, but it's hardly something I'd want to think modern fantasy is being based on.

There are various precedents, some of which draw on bits and pieces of real-world mythology (which is a tangle of conflicting legends in its own right).

In the gaming genre, the World of Darkness setting by White Wolf is the most notable example (and Underworld has more than a passing resemblance to it); Underworld was just the first movie to popularize the notion to the movie-going public.

I hope so, I wish Vampires were more accessible though, and less of a hindrance.. and more powerful. I wish the disease didn't exist and becoming a Vamp was a good upgrade for doing a large quest or something. I like True blood vamps and stuff, powerful ones. I hope your speed increases alot in this one through vamping at least

Underworld the first one was good and the others not too bad

Well, Jsashe, I'm glad you asked that question. You see, I'm a werewolf, and I live in Skyrim.

So you want to know how I feel about vampires, eh? I'll tell you.

Vampires are very impressed with themselves, but we werewolves call them...the jellyfish of the night. They make us laugh. They think they're special, but they aren't. They think it's fun to be a vampire, but it's actually pretty silly. If they drink blood, it weakens them. What strengthens them is their thirst, which only results from NOT drinking blood. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking that vampires get their power from drinking blood. Well, it's not true. They get weaker by giving into their thirst. The blood only weakens them. Yet they are doomed to crave it.

Have you ever seen the jellyfish of the night when they haven't had their witto itty bitty sippy o' blood? Hahaha - their faces sag and become horribly disfigured. Sure, they become stronger, but they can't walk around in public. Even the sun can't stand to be around them, so it burns them. Hahaha - they look like wrinkled old prunes, shriveling up in the sunlight. Have you ever seen a more pathetic sight than a fragile, delicate, jellyfish of the night sizzling in the sun? It's a sight not to be missed, I can assure you.

And did you know that no one has ever died from the bite of a vampire? Yes, that's right. For all of their hype, the jellyfish of the night are completely benign. Some might say spineless. They're like a kitty cat that's been de-clawed. Whoops! Can't scratch that post now, can ya wittle kitty katty! Hee hee!

Vicious enemies? Hardly. Werewolves don't consider vampires their enemies any more than you might consider ants your enemy. Sure, if one gets in your house, you're going to kill it, possibly call an exterminator. But that's about it. They're not worth our time. They cannot compare to the glory that is Lycanthropy.

Where vampires can only sneak up to people in their beds and take a tiny little sip of blood, like some kind of perverted Sandman, Werewolves can tear their enemies to pieces and feast on their remains. Where vampires get weaker when they drink blood, werewolves are invigorated by gorging themselves on flesh. In fact, we must feed on the flesh of our victims, lest our were-health runs out and we revert back to being human again. Werewolves have power. Vampires are a joke.

But I am but a mere golem. My master feels quite differently about vampires than I do. He is so frustrated that vampires are the same in Skyrim as they were in Oblivion, that he has vowed to seek them all out, hunt them down and kill them, feasting on their spineless bodies and wiping them off the face of the earth. He says he will name me Lucian, whatever that means. Something about the underworld or something and the great injustice done against werewolves in the name of vampires or something. Whatever. I'm just a golem.

Command me, my master.

there are Werewolves in Skyrim? I thought they trashed that idea...

and I doubt they will be any more of an enemy to each other than they are to ogres, daedra and wolly mammoths...

Think Apollo vs. Dionysus (Nietzsche).

Blah, I freaking hate Vampires and Werewolves. Probably on my second run my character will be a Van Hellsing-esque paranoid fanatic who's main purpose being in Skyrim is to eradicate all cursed ones. I'm going hardcoe Spanish Inquisition style too, not some pansy "spare the innocents" crap either. I'm talking wholesale genocide and mayhem. Slaughtering all the Companions for harboring those filthy beasts. Every necromancer I see in the College of Winterhold is going up in flames. I hear there's a Vamp in the Dark Brotherhood so they're all on my hit list too.

Oh god....please no.

burn in hell now!!!

but seriously good read

I remember back in Daggerfall there was a bit more depth on the werewolf vampire thing (as much as that sort of game would allow anyway, it was pretty fun to be a vampire there)
Vampires had a rather large organization, very manipulating and working behind the scenes of the regions. You would get quests eventually, some of those quests involved werewolves. But the quests were more like cleaning trash then anything, they didnt consider werewolves a threat at all.
Basicly they nonchalantly tell you to go clean up a dungeon with a pack of werewolves so they can hold a meeting there.

I wish to see more of that, but there werewolves werent very organized either. At most a single small pack, but not across the region. Here it seems also a small part of people are werewolves, but here these individuals are more experienced and less savage I would think. And I doubt bethesda made vampires as cunning and organized as they made them appear in Daggerfall. (and powerfull. Anyone remember a nice Vampire Ancient giving you a hug in a dungeon? My god that scream startled me)

I'd rather see them have a cold truce/sometimes working together, I don't understand the like, "Vampires and werewolves should fight!" Both are cursed, they should be tolerent of eachother at least for that.

Well hunting grounds maybe. I can't see The Order letting Lycans run free in their territory. Plus werewolfs apparently taste good to vamps so there's one reason to seek them out, but your right though. In TES they don't hate each other and usually don't come into contact with one another.

I like TES reinterpretation of these classic curses. Vampires and werewolves blend into society (Think about the count of Oblivion) and they're not antagonistic towards each other. Even their predatory nature towards humans is redefined and most 'cursed' people don't breed contempt versus their food.

Both are cursed? I'd say gifted but to each his own I guess.

i remember the day before twilight where vampires and werewolves was mysterious and powerful creatures of the night, [censored] twilight, [censored] twilight right up the ass. And as far as i know werewolves and vampires was pitted against each other first in the movie House of Dracula (1945), i hardly think they will care for each other in skyrim but they wont be enemies

tell me if im wrong but dont warewolves only come out on full moons?
and not during the day

or does TES "lore" make up theor own rules on this?