What are you anticipating more, Battlefield 3 or Skyrim? : Othor Games

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:38 pm

What relevance does that have to what I said haha?

F.Y.I, those COD players aren't defending themselves. They actually think COD is realistic, which is really sad.

What I said earlier was not BS. Battlefield really is that deep of an experience.

You do realize that BF isn't realistic, at all, right? Go play ARMA or some such. Also Skyrim is mainstream.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:07 pm

How is Skyrim mainstream?

If you're a gamer nowadays you have at least heard of Skyrim. That alone makes it mainstream.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 7:20 am

Okay, I'll bite. How is Skyrim mainstream? Because shooters are currently http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream, specifically Call of Duty.

Considering Oblivion and Fallout 3 sold millions more than several other mainstream shooters how can it not be?

Take a look at http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-J7u6V3a_iXI/TZIttoKB9vI/AAAAAAAAACs/Kfc4NnZX6y0/s1600/fps+comparison.jpg out of the five screenshots, Halo is the only one that doesn't look almost exactly like the others. Now take a look at http://www.justpushstart.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/battlefield_3_6.jpg Sure it's pretty, but otherwise it's pretty similar to pretty much every other FPS. The only thing that Battlefield does differently is their selection of vehicles/map size. Which is great, but not that revolutionary.

So do you want someone to make a collage of Elves now?

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:36 am

This wont help my status on the forums, but I am actually much more excited about Fallout NV's upcoming DLC "Lonesome Road" than Battlefield 3 or Skyrim. Not as to say that I'm not anticipating those, but I'd take a DLC with excellent narrative over an open world game with an awfully written story or a unique FPS which simulates the ferocity of war any day. :shrug:

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:33 am

You do realize that BF isn't realistic, at all, right? Go play ARMA or some such. Also Skyrim is mainstream.

In comparison to COD, BF is extremely realistic (then again vs COD what isn't...) :shrug:

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:24 am

Considering Oblivion and Fallout 3 sold millions more than several other mainstream shooters how can they not be?

Do you have any sort of proof? http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/636/the-elder-scrolls-iv-oblivion/ http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/6992/fallout-3/ some http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/44952/call-of-duty-black-ops/ charts for you.

So do you want someone to make a collage of Elves now?

Sure, why not. :shrug:

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 1:01 pm

In comparison to COD, BF is extremely realistic (then again vs COD what isn't...) :shrug:

I don't really see how it's that much more realistic. I mean yes, it did have more open maps with vehicles but the basic mechanics were the same. Hell in BC2 if you use tapping any assault rifle is like a laser. BF might be a bit more realistic but it isn't as giant a leap as people like to think.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:55 am

I don't really see how it's that much more realistic. I mean yes, it did have more open maps with vehicles but the basic mechanics were the same. Hell in BC2 if you use tapping any assault rifle is like a laser. BF might be a bit more realistic but it isn't as giant a leap as people like to think.

In defense of BF.........In CoD you can dual wield pistols/machine pistols and somehow be effective.

People have this misconception about "If it looks cool its functional." Running into a Taliban infested warehouse with two Desert Eagles would be a very bad idea, and that's not even including the fact that the desert eagle was never meant to be used in combat, and thus is a very poor weapon of choice in a fire fight. That brings up another misconception, "Bigger means better."

Desert Eagle= 8 357./44. Magnum rounds per clip, ridiculous recoil due to poor weight balance, jams often.

Beretta M1= 14 9mm rounds per clip, low recoil, is easy to retain sight picture, hardly ever jams.

You do the math.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:21 pm

Do you have any sort of proof?

Uh yeah, http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?page=1&results=50&name=&console=X360&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Total%20Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=®ion=All&alphasort=? Both Oblivion and Fallout have each outsold Battlefield Bad Company 1&2, GRAW 1&2, Killzone, Killzone 2, Crysis 2, Medal of Honor, Homefront....
Both are among the best selling games on the major plattforms. It's really difficult to get even more mainstream.

Just because a game doesn't sell as much as CoD doesn't mean it's not mainstream, because NOTHING sells as much as CoD

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:26 pm

I don't really see how it's that much more realistic. I mean yes, it did have more open maps with vehicles but the basic mechanics were the same. Hell in BC2 if you use tapping any assault rifle is like a laser.

In COD you can easily be a one man army and go around doing "360 no scope headshots" and the like (not the best tactical approach to a real life situation). In BF you need to ahve more tactical approach and you need to rely on your team and everything, like in real life you would.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:15 pm

Uh yeah, http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?page=1&results=50&name=&console=X360&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Total%20Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=®ion=All&alphasort=? Both Oblivion and Fallout have each outsold Battlefield Bad Company 1&2, GRAW2, Killzone, Killzone 2, Crysis 2, Medal of Honor, Homefront....
Both are among the best selling games on the major plattforms. It's really difficult to get even more mainstream.

Just because a game doesn't sell as much as CoD doesn't mean it's not mainstream, because NOTHING sells as much as CoD

Mmmm, I'll give you that one. But Skyrim is nowhere near as mainstream as Call of Duty or Battlefield. Regardless of how many units were sold.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:05 pm

Uh yeah, http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/browse.php?page=1&results=50&name=&console=X360&keyword=&publisher=&genre=&order=Total%20Sales&boxart=Both&showdeleted=®ion=All&alphasort=? Both Oblivion and Fallout have each outsold Battlefield Bad Company 1&2, GRAW 1&2, Killzone, Killzone 2, Crysis 2, Medal of Honor, Homefront....
Both are among the best selling games on the major plattforms. It's really difficult to get even more mainstream.

Just because a game doesn't sell as much as CoD doesn't mean it's not mainstream, because NOTHING sells as much as CoD

Exactly. And actually both of them outsold COD 3 (yes I know nowadays COD is just MW, MW2 and Black Ops but even so

).

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:32 am

Mmmm, I'll give you that one. But Skyrim is nowhere near as mainstream as Call of Duty or Battlefield. Regardless of how many units were sold.

But apparently it's more mainstream than NFL 10, FIFA 2010, Borderlands, Guitar Hero, Rock Band, Need for Speed, NBA 2K11, Final Fantasy...
So...yes Skyrim is plenty mainstream, no matter how you wanna twist it.

RPGs are not niche, indie, underground or special, they're a mainstream genre like any other.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:54 pm

Mmmm, I'll give you that one. But Skyrim is nowhere near as mainstream as Call of Duty or Battlefield. Regardless of how many units were sold.

Exactly how so? It's expected that Skyrim will outsell FO3 and since both FO3 and OB outsold BC2 so it's not crazy to assume that they'll sell around the same (even though I'm sure BF3 will most definitely outsell BC2) :shrug: Just because a game is an RPG it doesn't mean it can't be mainstream.

EDIT: And all those games Kai Hohiro stated

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:22 am

Neither really, at least not anymore. I will definitely get Skyrim, but I'm not in rush, I can wait. Same goes for Battlefield 3 really.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 9:20 pm

Mmmm, I'll give you that one. But Skyrim is nowhere near as mainstream as Call of Duty or Battlefield. Regardless of how many units were sold.

I see more articles about Skyrim than I do about Battlefield 3 on IGN and similar gaming sites.

Not to mention I can't remember seeing a "top games I want this year" list by someone on a gaming website's comments section that didn't include Skyrim.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:33 pm

In defense of BF.........In CoD you can dual wield pistols/machine pistols and somehow be effective.

People have this misconception about "If it looks cool its functional." Running into a Taliban infested warehouse with two Desert Eagles would be a very bad idea, and that's not even including the fact that the desert eagle was never meant to be used in combat, and thus is a very poor weapon of choice in a fire fight. That brings up another misconception, "Bigger means better."

Desert Eagle= 8 357./44. Magnum rounds per clip, ridiculous recoil due to poor weight balance, jams often.

Beretta M1= 14 9mm rounds per clip, low recoil, is easy to retain sight picture, hardly ever jams.

You do the math.

I'm not sure what brought about the gun lesson but ok. There's no doubt that COD is a bit more arcadey but the difference isn't as night and day as people like to think.

In COD you can easily be a one man army and go around doing "360 no scope headshots" and the like (not the best tactical approach to a real life situation). In BF you need to ahve more tactical approach and you need to rely on your team and everything, like in real life you would.

I've found it's as easy to be a one man army in BF as it is in COD. You can use team work to your advantage in either game too.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 11:59 am

I've found it's as easy to be a one man army in BF as it is in COD. You can use team work to your advantage in either game.

I politely disagree

What about the scale of the maps or the fact that you use vehicles?! IMO they all make BF a much more realistic game than COD, while still being a game and not a military simulation :shrug:

P.S: I have no idea why I'm defending BF so much considering I'm not really an FPS's fan :laugh:

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:31 am

I politely disagree

What about the scale of the maps or the fact that you use vehicles?! IMO they all make BF a much more realistic game than COD, while still being a game and not a military simulation :shrug:

P.S: I have no idea why I'm defending BF so much considering I'm not really an FPS's fan :laugh:

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/sgt_deacon/badcompany.jpgI like BF a lot more than COD I just think people play the realism card a lot more than they should. BF does encourage teamwork more but if you have a group of people on either game on vent (or other VOIP client) calling out enemies to each other you gain a huge advantage.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:47 pm

The above listed things aren't even why FPS games are not realistic. If FPS games were realistic they would be no fun.

The downside is, many kids consider COD to be an accurate representation of war, so they discourage others to join the U.S military because they think everywhere you look, people are getting lit up and torn apart.

In real life, you statistically have a higher chance of dying in a car crash than dying in the front lines of Iraq. Stick with your squad, you'll be fine.

Who wants to play a game where you defend a checkpoint, give candy to Iraqi kids, see an enemy convoy, suppress and then fall back?

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:16 pm

This is the easiest question i'll answer all year. Skyrim.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:10 pm

The above listed things aren't even why FPS games are not realistic. If FPS games were realistic they would be no fun.

The downside is, many kids consider COD to be an accurate representation of war, so they discourage others to join the U.S military because they think everywhere you look, people are getting lit up and torn apart.

In real life, you statistically have a higher chance of dying in a car crash than dying in the front lines of Iraq. Stick with your squad, you'll be fine.

Who wants to play a game where you defend a checkpoint, give candy to Iraqi kids, see an enemy convoy, suppress and then fall back?

You do realize that BF3 and COD give pretty much the same impression, right?

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 6:00 pm

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g316/sgt_deacon/badcompany.jpgI like BF a lot more than COD I just think people play the realism card a lot more than they should. BF does encourage teamwork more but if you have a group of people on either game on vent (or other VOIP client) calling out enemies to each other you gain a huge advantage.

Well most people I know usually say that it's a lot harder to be a one man army in BF so I guess it depends on the persons's approach :shrug: heck if anything BF atleast has the option to properly coordinate a team, not that easy in COD.

The downside is, many kids consider COD to be an accurate representation of war, so they discourage others to join the U.S military because they think everywhere you look, people are getting lit up and torn apart.

Actually I think some people think war is doing trickshots (not kidding :confused: ) so they think it's awesome...which is bad.

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 8:37 pm

Haven't owned a WW2 / modern war FPS since the original CoD and Medal of Honor games. Haven't played a game of multiplayer FPS since the original Counterstrike and first Unreal Tournament. Never played a BF game, and don't really care about 64 player games.

So, yeah.... since I'm basically not anticipating BF3 at all, the answer's Skyrim by default. :shrug:

» Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:17 pm

You do realize that BF3 and COD give pretty much the same impression, right?

At least in Battlefield there are front lines. One team on one side, supressing. Other team attacking with vehicles. Slowly move up the Battlefield.

In COD, the map is literally a small square, with players dotted around the map. There is no sense of advancement or movement whatsoever.