I would like to clear up some misconceptions that people seem to have about the game

1. It isn't a WoW clone, the only mechanic the game shares with WoW is having a hotbar, which many non-WoW clones have.

2. If you HAD to call it a clone of anything, which I find the word clone and its use to be silly, it wold be a clone of Dark Age of Camelot or guild Wars 2.

3. The game NOT a themepark MMO, it was made quite clear in the game informer info that many of the games locations and quest are up to the player to find. You will NOT be lead around by the hand so you dont miss everything

So really, stop calling a "WoW clone" or a "theme park" MMORPG, it is neither.

So you are saying there is no holding hands in this game? How about hugging?

I dont know, a hug emote isnt that uncommon

Agreed. This game will be legendary. An amazing turning point for this series and

Well if you remember early in WoW history, there was no holding your hand.

So technically speaking, it could be a WoW clone.

If enough people complain, which they will, just like in WoW, it will get nerfed.

WoW when it came out, was much more difficult than it is today. Much.

Original Naxx, wish people could go back and try that out. But ya know, complainers complained, and everything was nerfed.

What would be really interesting is putting a stamp on the TES:O of an M maturity MMO. That way, they could put better stuff in it.

I guess it could be a WoW clone.... if having no features in common beyond a hotbar makes something a WoW clone

sotp arguing about the word "wow clone" if not beeing one would magically make the game better. it doesnt.

Playing like guild Wars 2 does make it better actually.

Oh, you forgot some points on the list

What TES Online is not

-A sandbox game
-A game even loosely based on TES series
-An original game
-A game worty of the name "the elder scrolls"
-A game that will be remembered for more than a year
-Something the fans of TES will buy
-A great start as the first game made by ZeniMax Online Studios

Funny becuase the game actually IS the first two things,, and all the other things are subjective and/or unproveable at this point

I'm going to be laughing my ass off when this tripe releases and you have to admit you were so wrong it's pathetic. This POS will be JUST LIKE WoW and SWTOR had an ugly, re-tarded, deformed bastard child.

I am going to be laughig when it does come out, has all the features of guild Wars 2, plays like a light version of it, and people will still try to claim it plays like WoW to try to hate on it when it proveably doesn't.

I don't see how can it qualify as a sandbox.
You will have a class intead of choosing your skills freely, you will have 3 factions with compulsory membership based on race, that's not sandbox... sandbox requires some freedom in those kind of decisions.

I still fail to see how "plays like guild wars 2" is considered a good thing

None of those things determins if a game is sandbox or not


The biggest complaint people have is that WoW combat is boring, Guild wars 2 on the other hand is praised for its fresh new combat style.

Being like guild wars 2 means the game isnt like woW and doesnt have the same boring style combat people hate.

ok give me a definition of sandbox
And don't talk about the map .. that's free-roaming... and is a different concept.

You think this game is a sandbox MMO? LOL!

The term sandbox refers to a world designed where there is "no right way" of playing the game. Your class, faction, etc. etc. are chosen by you,

However, there is no accepted line to determine where a sandbox game stops being a sandbox due to the nessessitry of game limitions.

You have the ability to choose you class, your race, your faction, they arent chosne for you. By definition, as the definition is vauge and not agreed upon, the game does classify as a sandbox game.

The term sandbox is like the term RPG, so vauge and ill defined its meaingless.

It doesn't seem to be less of a sandbox than Skyrim. However, I know many people that don't consider TES a sandbox in the first place, certainly not compared to games like Minecraft and Dwarf Fortress. There just is no clear line what defines a sandbox and what doesn't.

So if I pick an Argonian, Dunmer, or Nord, I am not forced into being a part of the Ebonheart Vanguard? No, I am. I can choose by race but I am automatically put into a faction based on that selection. Classes are the same thing. I may be able to select mage, warrior, thief, etc. But the abilities and strengths and weaknesses of that class are set in stone. By making a class base system, I do not have the capability of stepping outside the box to make my mage any different then the other mages in the world since they are all under the same restrictions brought on by the developers.

Also, the biggest and most important aspect of "sandbox" for mmo's is the concept of the players being able to forge the world as they see fit rather it be setting up housing, towns, shops, etc. out in the world or by having control over the economy.

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Sure sandbox is different in some regards in single player as opposed to an mmo but Elder Scrolls has always fallen under sandbox. Compare the freedom granted in FFXIII vs Skyrim. Skyrim wins by a country mile since you are not force do do certain things to be granted the ability to do what you want to do. Complete the tutorial and you're free. But sandbox is about as much player control as possible, and in the single player Elder Scrolls games, you have the freedom of choosing your skills, your race, where you go and how you do it. As I pointed out now with Elder Scrolls Online, you're restricted to the confinement of classes meaning you are exactly what the developers want you to be, your race determines what faction you are automatically thrown into, and you have no capability of expanding the world yourself with a player owned house or player run towns, etc.

Sure the game has elements of sandbox like being able to go where you want(provided the faction stupidness doesn't get in the way with the different provinces), etc. but the amount of restrictions already set in place by the developers prevents this from being a true sandbox mmo. If you look at SWG, EvE Online, etc., those are true sandbox games. Hell at least ArenaNet wasn't stupid enough to force faction selection defined by race selection on the players, it's bad design.

I wish I could report you for trolling.

He's talking about the MMO they're making. It MOST CERTAINLY is NOT either of the first two things. Have you even LOOKED at the leaked info? Again, IF the leaked info is true & they go ahead and announce all of what is in that magazine people will EXPLODE with rage.

I have friends whom are WoW fans shaking their heads claiming that TESO will just be another "grab for cash WoW/SWTOR-clone". They've blunted stated they WILL NOT buy TESO if anything in that magazine article is true.

People are tired of WoW, and they're tired of games like SWTOR. Quite frankly, what was described in that magazine article IS another WoW-clone, and if people wanted to play WoW they'd play WoW.

Enough already!

Again games can be considered sanbox becuase some game limitations are required for games to work.

Also if that is your definition of a sandbox game then no game besides Garrys mod, minecraft, and dwarf fortres, and second life are sandbox games..... Neither would the previous ES games.... so why you expected the MMO to be sandbox when none of the past games were is beyond me.


Have you read the leaks?

According to the Game Informer scans the game has

-A limited skill bar, like in GW and GW2, so you cant have have like 10 skillbars all over the screen with all of your skills on them like in WoW

-A Stamina mechanic that allows you to
--Sprint
--Block
--Interrupt
--Break some forms of paralysis
They say they are doing this to give players more self-responsibility to try to help break the trinity DPS/TANK/HEALER that other MMOs, like WoW, use. Quite similar to GW2 and its dodge mechanic that uses a stamina bar.

-Classes can combine skills, like a rouge's oil-slick, and a mage's fireball, can make a firewall. Again similar to GW2.

-Weapons determine your first two skills and you have a special finesse skill, similar to how GW2's weapons determine your attack skills and you have a dedicated elite skill.

-There is apparently no aggro mechanic, monsters use combat tactics that a player would use, and dont just sit around waiting for someone to attack them.

-It has a hubless quest system, so no going to towns to load up on quests

-There is a form of fast travel, and the compass with map markers are in the game.

Count how many times I mentioned guild wars, then count how many times I mentioned WoW.

To claim the game respembles wow in its gameplay shows they must have ignored everything beyond the first page.

It IS a WoW-clone. Everything they mentioned is a DIRECT copy from WoW. Not to mention the references to SWTOR which is one of the worst WoW-Clone that has come out. SWTOR has ruined the StarWars franchise for online play for the next 10yrs pretty much, and WoW fans are flocking back to WoW because as I've stated before if people wanted WoW they'll play WoW, not a carbon clone like SWTOR and like TESO is.

The Elder Scrolls Series is NOTHING like what they've done with TESO. It's a complete divergance from the franchise IF what was leaked is in fact true.

Stop spreading lies.

Here is a good description of the difference between sandbox and themepark MMOs: http://lorehound.com/news/the-merits-of-sand-box-versus-theme-park-mmos/

I think it was more of the developers feeling that spending time and effort designing a dungeon that less than 1% of the customers will ever experience in a substantial way is a waste of their time.