I don't mean to sound rude, but even the thought of thinking a (Elder Scrolls) MMO would have a gameplay system similar to the single player TES games is kind of silly. That is not how these game are made and works (except for a few exceptions, probably).

The hardcoe fan-base here is also probably a very minor part of the group of people ZeniMaxOnline aims this game for. This game is not made to be a standard TES game, it's a TES MMORPG!

I like how you criticise somebody for saying that the game will be great based on very little information, and then say the exact opposite based on the same amount of information.

Look, i know we were all expecting a first person view skill based action combat Full loot pvp/pve mmo with a huge seamless dark/gritty fantasy world set in TES lore with TES rules and laws etc etc , something like Darkfall Online but more laws. We didn't get that , but we could get an amazing EQ like MMOrpg with an amazing TES world and lore and still have great gameplay, im still excited about it no matter what.


Point is be excited for what it could be instead of disappointed in what it isn't.

I think its a joke that people can't see that there are many many mmos which do not follow the WoW formula. Atlantica, Anarchy online, Eve, Conan etc. All of these attempted to do something creative and different, and should be commended for it. The bottom line in my mind, is that auto attacks, grinding levels, doing 'kill ten of these' or 'collect ten bones from this mob' is what puts most people of mmos in the first place. It is such mindless gameplay.
The mmo market is just screaming out for someone to take a bold leap into new dangerous territory, something to revolutionize the entire genre. I honestly though an elder scrolls mmo would be the thing to do that, so personally, I am quite sad that they have kept it so 'safe' and generic.

At the very least I would have expected them to stick to the 'you get better at the skills you concentrate on' thing, which has actually been pulled off successfully in other mmos.

What are you even talking about? Nowhere in the article does it say you will have auto attack. It says you will have hotkeys. It specifically says the game has done away with quest hubs and most boring 'collect 10' type quests. It also says they did away with the holy trinity and that there is a huge dynamic world to explore with organic content. This game sounds FAR more innovative than many of those games you mentioned. Guess what? Conan had hotkey combat! That's right! They just turned off auto attack and made them hotkey buttons. Let's wait and see what this game's combat actually looks like before you get all depressed.

Nope.
I just asked why is the OP thinking that the game HAS to have something special.
I didn't say anything about the amount of info available.

sorry I'm not exactly privvy to mmo terminology, by auto attack I mean that you click on an enemy, and you start the attacking animation, interspersed with special hotkeyed 'attacks' and 'spells' and so forth? From reading the article that is what I understood of it - please explain where I am wrong and how this works then if you wouldn't mind? My understanding of Conan was that you actually had to press the different buttons to perform different swings etc - otherwise your character would just stand still (i.e - no auto-attack with a continuous animation). Again, please correct me if I am wrong.

Also, in the gameinformer article, it specifically mentions, and I quote - 'The single-player RPGs don't have a lot of 'kill six of these' or 'bring me ten of those' objectives, though what we've seen here is not excessive by MMO standards.' So, reading through the lines and using our brain a bit, we can deduce that this is a 'nice' way of saying these quests do infact feature in the game, if not in the high propensity of other games. I think you have obviously misread what that statement in the article meant.

Further more throwing buzzwords like 'dynamic' and 'organic' around do nothing to further your point - what do they mean in gameplay terms exactly? Again, please enlighten me. In fact, looking back through the article I see no mention of the word 'organic'.

Lastly, saying I am 'quite sad' about a decision made about a game in no way translates to me being 'all depressed' - maybe a better term to use would have been 'disappointed'. As a long time elder scrolls fan who has always envisioned what an elder scrolls mmo could be, I think that is a perfectly fair thing to say. I don't need to see the combat in action when I have had it completely described to me in words - I know exactly what it is going to be like from that alone.

Because this series has become stagnant. It desperately needed something exciting and to venture in new territory. I love the art style and the prospect of being able to adventure in a huge Tamriel with some friends. It's going to be amazing! I'm custom building a gaming rig for this.

Wow I did not realize so many people are not giving in. All I'm saying is I'm giving it a chance. This is something that some are not doing. You can argue this but it's true. You can't be giving it a chance because it's only been two or three days since they accounced it. I'm just keeping it positive until I decide otherwise. There is no way to make a final decision until we know more.

Well said. All that "it's too hard" stuff is BS. Like the housing issue. With them saying it couldn't be done to players satisfaction. Uhm, Everquest 2? FF11? LOTRO? I think they could do a fine job with housing. That's just one of the issues, as you've outlined ones above as well that have been done. It's just lazy.

Ok, sorry, I misinterpreted what you posted.

I'm sorry to break the news to you but there hasn't been a "proper" TES game since they started to cater to consoles.

Exactly. I think a lot of the people mad about this are consolers and it's PC only.

+1

sigh x) sorry to say this but sometimes your posts are just stupid.

We're going to open up that old can of worms?

I'll rather say there hasn't been a proper TES since they decided to go "all voiced-over", taking the depth with it.

I agree that this game is gonna be awesome.

I agree, they could have come off with a better start, and if they become bland they will have trouble competing with WoW and if they are inovative they will be competing with Guild Wars 2, which has the advantage of no monthly fees, however TESO might have this advantage too, they should have released more info, people are making specualtions and most of them aren't good.
I am a PC gamer and I'm a little mad about this, I try to be neutral, but until I see some proper footage this pretty much looks like a cartoony standard MMO with some TES stuff put in there. I don't think console players come in here just to rant.

I must say I'm very excited about this game! Let's just hope it's not a big let down...

You are right for the most part. My objection was that the only thing in the article that says it is WOW like is that you will have a hotbar. There are several games on the market that require you to actively swing your weapon (no auto attack) and still have hotbars for special skills.

You are right about this quote, but you left out other quotes that were just as important, imo. For instance the one about a lack of quest hubs and being able to explore the world and do what seems interesting to you. Like clearing the undead from a barrow and having a shade reward you for putting him to rest. You didn't pick that quest up and go to an X on your map - you just found it and did what came naturally and were rewarded with loot and xp.

Please see my point above - that's what I meant by dynamic or organic - events happen naturally not because you clicked on a guy with a giant glowing exclamation point over his head.

I understand your concern, but I urge you to be a bit more patient - wait until you see the game in action before you decide it won't be for you. I think many, many of the people on these forums who are upset are going to be pleasantly suprised if they just give it a chance.

The bottom line is that we can't judge the game. It isn't even in beta. Good Lord.

Until real players can sit down and play the game, we have no room to say it'll be good or bad.

what he said

lets speculate but with reason people

All joking aside, it's perplexing to think that the immersive grace and
tranquil beauty that has come to define TES can be translated into an MMO
(especially one that's going for more of the same) without it becoming
homogeneous goo.

If a picture can say a thousand words then the screens we've been shown
so far at least say a word or two that such would be the case.

Right now I'm riding a thin rail between optimism and pessimism

(was going to add this in my own thread before one of the
Ordinator's Moderator's, who shall go unnamed, locked'er down)

Im watching you................scum