Okay, so we have the three factions.....but inside those faction the races dont make any sense, other then they are next to each other.

1. Ebonheart Pact
Seriously? WAT? The nords, dunmer and argonains are prehaps the biggest enemies throughout Tamriel. ALl of them constantly bretraying and invading each other. This alliance makes no sense. The nords think the Dunmer are filth, the Dunmer ensalve the Argonians, which means the argonians hate them. ANd the Dunmer both look down on the argonians are animals and the Nords as uncivilised brutes. WTF?

2. The Aldmeri Dominion
This one at least makes sense, the other two Elvish races and the khajitts team up together.....though there are plenty of history between the Bosmer and the khajitt, its not crazy to think they could team up.

3. The Daggerfall Covenant
Again, a part of the world that doesn't make much sense. I'm not sure of the state of the place in this period, but if its anything like the more modern times, then all three of these races are trying to take out the other. Again I suppose they could team up to take on a bigger threat, but if a Redguard took the throne, you could be the bretons would trun against them to take it for themselves.


The only reason they are teamed up like this is so that each faction is geographically together for gameplay reasons....if this is the approahc to lore they are taking 'use the real lore when it suit the gameplay' I cant help but fear at the state of lore in the rest of the game.

The fact of the matter seems to be that the team working on this has almost no knowledge of the universe they are working in.

Basically, they've been given the license to create something using the TES name, but what we will be getting is a WOW clone with very minimal effort put into it.

It's really just a case of a company getting greedy and wanting to use their name to sell something to less-than savvy consumers to make a quick buck.

I dread to see what they're doing with the Summerset Isles. Just reading the lore on that place is enough to make my head spin. The architecture sounds insane.

Chances that this new studio has created a lore-friendly Summerset Isles with a graphics engine this poor? Slim at best.

Chances that this new studio has cut corners because "It's too hard to implement in an MMO" (a statement that appears on pretty much every page of the Game Informer article)? Very high.

Agree with you. First I was devestated. Then I was optimistic it could change my opinion on MMO games. Then after screens and things it just looks like another terrible mmo. What were they thinking allowing this to happen? TES fans play it cause of the single player!

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We all have to be nice little drones.

The screens look like crap. The quotes we have from the development team are all "It's too hard to implement! boohoohooo". So basically, pure and shameless money grabbing.

Well its not really a WoW clone, but its still seems horrible.

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They only use TES names to create something completely illogical, destroing the lore. Also very good move by making the Imperials evil...

I disagree.
I have posted on several threads already plausible motivations for the alliances so if you want an in-depth explanation look at my post history.

-The Dominion is as it was, no change.

-Dunmer and Nord have allied before, and will do so again. No-one can fathom the motivations of the Hist.

-The arch-politicians of Bretony would not hesitate to wrangle a power block of their own when confronted with the political situation, rather than be the only fragmented region and thus vulnerable.

-There are very little known facts about that part of the second era, so not much to screw up really.

Argonian and Dunmer lol.

Its plausible.

First of the most important factor is the Hist, who by their very nature we cannot understand.
Their machinations are long-term and alien.
It is quite possible that they would hand over territory and Argonian slaves, for all we know an individual Argonian is not that important to the Hist, who have a hivemind themselves, in exchange for protection against a threat.
It is not beyond the realm of possibilities that the Hist already know enough about future events, or are capable of such longterm and intricate machinations that they see this as a temporary setback.
They might already know they get everything back and then some after the events of the Red Year, post Oblivion crisis.

What the Argonians themselves think is I believe largely irrelevant.

Note the Oblivion rumour where many Argonians heeded 'the calling' and returned to Black Marsh.

I am gonna hazard a guess and say the three main powers in each faction are as such. Dunmer, Altmer and Bretons.

Anyone else find it curious that the Knahaten Flu comes only a few years after the rough approximation of this games setting? Also that there are rumors that claim the Argonians ma have released it due to their unjust treatment by other races?

I agree.

Dunmer and Altmer are known big players at this time in history and the Bretons make the Chinese Imperial court seem straightforward, they are accomplished bureaucrats and politicians.

Sounds good to me. Though I still think having Dunmer and Saxheel as allies is [censored] up.

Just pretend that the Dunmer have Hist spores in their brains.

I have noticed this in the timeline.
I hope it gets incorporated one way or the other, or maybe it will turn out to be a few hundred years before or after that, but at this point there isnt enough information for me to form an opinion one way or the other or speculate on its meaning.

I am starting to think that, if the writers are aware of it, that this whole trifecta of power pisses quite a few people off and sets the tempo for the Arnesian War and many other conflicts that arise after the MMO's events. One of those things being the Knahaten Flu having been rumored to have been caused by a disgruntled(severely so) Argonian Shaman. I really doubt the Dunmer are going to be the best allies to the Argonians. Especially given the timeline.

So should I expect hatred from my alliance players? As in, don't heal me in battleground because I'm Argonian?

Agreed.
Hlaalu would siphon off resources and wealth to Morrowind and Dres would do the same but with people.
At the end of the alliance we would possibly see a destitute and struggling Black Marsh, under the yoke of something like a Marshall pact, that crippled the English to well in the sixties.

A perfect breeding ground for animosity.

So... why would Argonians want to help Dunmer exactly? I mean even if they ignored their hostility, what do Argonians care about outside of Black Marsh? And nobody even wants Black Marsh so it's not even like they'd have people trying to invade them.

They are simply allied so that you can chose more races. Doesnt make the least sense and I see this type of design choices willl continue with this game...

Possibly the absorbtion of Tamriel into Coldharbour is something the Hist have no defense against.
They may go to the living gods of Morrowind because they think that a Hist-Triune-Nord alliance has the best chance of stopping Mannimarco.

Yeah, exactly and the other way around I refuse to heal the [censored]in gnomes in WOW I hate them with a passion and I love their death sound

Where have you seen all this info you speak of?

Who said the Argonians have much choice? Maybe the Hist recognize the threat of Molag Bal and the Imperials with Mannimarco and their own inability to do anything to stop them. However they know of some rather powerful gods of their hated neighbors next door who have stopped Daedra Lords many times. The Hist could easily force the Argonians into allying with the Dunmer. The Dunmer could even force the Argonians into Slave armies. My question is why the hell would the Dunmer ally with the Argonians? What do the Argos have to offer the Dunmer that they would want or cannot take for themselves at this point? The 2nd Era Dunmer were very strong at this time and also had 3 fully functioning, and at the height of their power, heretic godkings. It will be interesting to explore this, hopefully.