I know there are similar topics in title, but I have not seen a thread devoted to talking about some of the newer MMOs coming out that will be in competition.

Lately, I've questioned whether or not ESO will be the MMO I blow my money on. A 15$ a month sub (should ESO go this route) isn't at all a lot, but when you have your eyes on some other MMOs coming out this year/next year, the 15$ looks less tempting.

Of the many MMOs out there, there are some newer ones either in development, or waiting for a NA release. The ones I'm currently interested in, or think will have a huge inpact on whether or not I end up playing ESO are (in no particular order) :

FFXIV

ArcheAge

EQ Next

Blade&Soul

I know I've probably already lost half of you, but 3/4 of those are not being produced in the United States, which is somewhat scary. I am of course, very interested in that kind of thing, which is probably why FFXIV or Blade&Soul is up there, but regardless of my feelings for all things Asian, ArcheAge still is probably the #1 MMO I'm looking forward to of that list, and may even surpass ESO (IMO of course).

Here's a more detailed look at what I think of these MMOs:

So why ESO? Of all the MMOs, why am I spending the most time with ESO?

I absolutely love the lore, and the TES series, for almost all of us here, that's the #1 selling point. No other MMO has as much lore and background to it than any out there from my personal experience.

The combat, action style like Tera will blow most people away. On top of that, it's a solid game with much less short comings than Tera, which will make it more entertaining than Tera ever will be.

Despite all this, I can't help but feel ESO might not bring enough to the table to pry me away from ArcheAge or FFXIV. I really hope they blow us away with more than just the two things I've listed, if they don't excel in more areas than just these, I really will lose interest.

Again, this is a thread to either discuss the MMOs I listed, or ones in development/really recently launched. I'm not seeking attention and holding you all hostage to try and continue to sell ESO to me - so don't you dare say "if you don't like ESO.. then just leave". What are your thoughts on newer competing MMOs, and why are you choosing ESO, or any other MMO?

Because you make post like this, and posted over 1000 post? You're sorta one furniture here.

Personally I've not rated any of the other MMOs to date. Even the past titles that came out had severe shortfalls.

Conan they tried to push too much realism into. It was unimaginative dull, repetitive and boring.

Vanguard was badly finished, bug ridden on release, and their marketing team should have been lined up and shot.

Star Wars picked on a popular franchise then translated it quite frankly really badly into a game. The futuristic genre to date simply doesn't take so well to mass popularity. They also lacked content in a big way which reduced long term appeal to a massive zero.

Even Blizzard's own titles like Diablo 3 didn't hold long term appeal - you race through normal, nightmare and hell in no time, each experience proving to be much the same as the last. Then you hit the progression limit - potentially hours of pointless grinding for gear, or the dreaded cash shop. Instant lost interest.

There have been the steady stream of countless eastern cartoony MMOs with free play / cash shops coming out. Quite frankly though they aren't that good to look at, often lack the social side of it or long term appeal and they are all much the same.

Others cater for the elitists too heavily and cut their own mass market appeal. A foolish move if ever I saw one.

There have been faults in most of them, which I would guess is why their long term appeal didn't stick.

ESO on the other hand isn't out yet, but from what I've seen APPEARS to be the first title to date with good design calls at every step. The game play looks refreshing and responsive. Synergy is another classic idea. Interacting with enemy actions is a standard thing, but interacting with ally actions to adds more depth. When enemies start to interact with each other it adds even greater variety to game play. Character customization and variety add to even more changes of game play. All in all, this one looks set to hold long term appeal.

I'm an EQ vet and i personally think Smed will get his baby right, EQ is the king of all 3d MMO's and the longest running 3d MMO. It has a vast following and SOE have put masses resources into the game even to the point of scrapping the first EQ3 and remaking it.

Hybrid is the future, people want certain features and IMO TESO is lacking in features when you compare it to games like ArcheAge.

Obviously i can't comment on EQN but ArcheAge will be it's main competition.

Let's be honest about TESO, it's the pull of many of us playing TES that really has us interested in this game. Yes TESO has some ok features but it's all pretty standard fare, ava is good but what does it really give, bragging rights and alliance points.

When you compare ArcheAge to TESO it becomes pretty clear that ZeniMax haven't really thought outside the box but why would they, TESO is a themepark MMO not a hybrid.

ArcheAge is no longer just an Asian MMO, it's being published by Trion and will be released into the west late this year or early 2014.

ArcheAge as it stands now is the biggest threat to TESO, ZeniMax has the advantage of a massive following because of the single player TES games but many of them followers are not convinced.

IMO it's the MMO player that is more interested in TESO than the actual single fans. TESO will do just fine but if you really like FFA PVP you would be silly not to be watching out for ArcheAge.

On top of that you can see all the features working in ArcheAge, it never had an NDA from CBT1, the game has fantastic graphics and features that put western MMO's to shame. You do have to take cost into consideration though, it's a lot cheaper in the east to make a MMO.

I'm not going to post any vids, just youtubing the game shows you all you need to know.

Hopefully EQN and Smed are thinking outside the box.

I plan playing a game for years ... Maybe 5 years or more with a stable community where players don't leave after three months and just seem "faceless". I'm pretty interrested into TESO ... And the most interresting part of a game should be longevity and endgame in my opinion.

To be honest ... I don't share your interrest on those mentioned asia-mmorpgs at all. For me ... Those mentioned released and upcoming mmorpgs are not really important since they have a different concept (e.g. no AvA) or a setting I can't enjoy.

My thoughts about mmorpgs nowadays are: The MMORPG-players which jump from MMO1 to MMO2 hurt the MMORPG-communities. Thus I try to focus on one MMORPG and one community. If you think that another concept fits better for your own longevity in a game then you should play this game.

EQ Next they are talking about going in a very interesting direction now, making it true sandbox style and talk of ability to shape the landscape and structures etc. I personally love EQ, but EQ2 wore out very fast for me as it became watered down and a solo game, as far as i know with EQ next sony are set on appealing to the tastes of the original EQ players. From my imagination this will mean a sandbox mmo with very unique classes, hard difficulty and hopefully very heavily group orientated play. A game of the quality of EQ1 is the only thing that i can forsee pulling me away from TESO. Depending on how hard the content is in TESO will be the game breaker, i think i already know that it ticks all the boxes in other ways, i just need to know that if i am running a dungeon, we are going to have to work hard to complete it... I dont want trash mobs that are just that... A dungeon being dangerous is what makes a dungeon awesome... always make it challenging (for the levels aimed at even when mentor's in group) and even scary at times, make plenty of roaming mobs so you have to always be on your toes for adds...

and please please please dont make mentors over powered... if you are going to mentor they need to strip down the stats ALOT... i hate running dungeons with a few mentored players in a group and they just walk through everything, this ruins the game for lowbies who are genuinely trying to learn their trade but keep having everything cleared in a flash by a bunch of mentored players in a group.

oops i ranted a bit off topic sorry!

I follow EOC but it still has a way to go and it's not an AAA title, EQN and ArcheAge are AAA titles and both are coming out in the west. ArcheAge is one of the least Asian, Asian MMO you will come across, it's very western.

After all it was Jake Song who had the major hand in Lineage, he understands the western MMO community. Then you have one of the best new teams to come about in years, Trion Worlds publishing ArcheAge.

You mention PVP but ArcheAge has what TESO has and more(only two faction in AA though), it has sieges, GuildvsGuild conquest, land ownership, castle building, contested caravan trade routes, prison, player bounties, courts, naval warfare, piracy faction all in a FFA world and a whole continent where you can build and places taxes, farms, raise livestock, plant forests and fight over natural resources.

TESO is what it is, a themepark feel good not to serious PVP/PVE game with bragging rights, alliance points and becoming emperor up for grabs.

With TESO, AA, EQN mmo gamer's should at last be happy.

Many people are happy with that but if you want something a lot deeper then games like ArcheAge is offering that for PVP.

EQ was great for it's day. EQ2 didn't grab me at all. While I am excited about EQN I have a nagging suspicion that Smed is merely hyping the game, and though it probably will contain sandbox elements I have my doubts about it being a sandbox game, just as I don't believe a word of the 'for old EQ players' line he threw out (that gamestyle scared off people back in EQ's peak, we now live in a less patient, more demanding market with FAR more choice).

I see Archeage being probably TESOs main competition as both will probably launch at the same time or within a close timeframe and whilst TES has a following the leak has dampened people's expectations (regardless of if it's lack of validity as a measurie of the game), whereas Archeage has been stirring up a lot of interest.

Whether TESO will be enough? We'll have to see. I hope it will, but given the lack of reliable information and a crystal ball nobody has any ideas how either TESO or it's competitors will be at launch....but it's going to be a fun time with hardware and software releases abound

For me it will either be ESO, or Gloria Victis if they'll manage to finish it.

GV has the more interesting combat for me (mouse directional, high reactional combat like in Mount&Blade), also mounted combat, also a realistic medieval setting which I prefer.

ESO will certainly be interesting concerning PvE and large maps.

Why is it cheaper?

For me EQNext will probably be my home. I'll take a look at ArcheAge but have my doubts whether I could stay with an Asian MMO for the long run. Others I will definitely keep an eye on are Titan from Blizzard (these boys have a massive amount of MMO experience and have come down to Earth a bit with D3's reception), Destiny from Bungie (its Bungie FPSMMO or not, these guys are brilliant and the futuristic theme would be a nice change from the over done fantasy MMOs) also Chris Roberts space sim / hybrid MMO Star Citizen has my attention (which I have backed). If Bethesda announced a Fallout MMO I'd be all over it!

So for me its ESO, EQ Next, ArcheAge, Titan, Destiny and Star Citizen. I'll definitely play all of them, which one wins long term I wouldn't have a clue but I'll certainly enjoy finding out.

Not really interested in other MMO's eventhough there are some that look promising! For me it's this title that has me waiting with much anticipation, been a TES player for a long time so the choice for me is clear!

But these are Eastern companies. Not western companies looking to utilise the lower labour costs. They will be generally working within their geographical economy, so while costs will be lower so will their projected profits per head if viewed in that fashion.

Costs are relative to where you live and work, unless you have the finances to impact other markets.

With regards to projects such as Archeage it is an eastern company releasing to both an Eastern and Western market. That means that their costs are lower, but their market is still international.

After the massive fall of Tera (it went to f2p) I am done with Asian mmo's ( i said this after aion too and gave Tera a try). I will stick to rift till eso comes out. I love rift but I am even getting a bit bored with it, I think most of my boredom is just knowing I am going to go to teso , so I don’t have that excitement I had for the game earlier.

I am looking forward to a game that I can enjoy and get into for a longer period of time. ( I am not looking for the top graphics or so nit picky that I have to bash the game before I even play it...Just want to enjoy the game)

It is like finding those perfect pair of nice fitting jeans … I am still looking ,but have hopes this is the pair.

ArcheAge as it looks know will be a good game, but im not 100 % sure its fit for europe and NA market, but on the other hand i could only play it for like 2 days so i cant say alot about that game.

EQN we just dont have enough Infos about this game. Lets talk again in a few months.

FFXIV and Blade&Soul dont even can compare to TESO, atleast my opinion, but i was never a fan of FF.

Right know i play Neverwinter, but i dont think it will last till TESO but atleast for 1-2 months.

Isn't it an eastern company selling the liscence to a western company, as almost all eastern titles in the western market are? I would be shocked if Trion didn't make as much, or more, from the western release. I'm not saying that XL won't get a large amount from this, but they won't be making the largest share from the western venture.

Everquest Next is most definitely most interesting of those. I think ArcheAge failed already, they aim too high (too ambitious.. or too inexperienced) considering their funds, I think devs realize it soon after release, what they've gotten into. Im sure though SOE delivers us solid package.

EQNext will have its big reveal on Aug 1st at the big SOE gathering.

There is PlanetSide2 and Defiance.

I have looked around at a lot of new mmo's that are in different stages of development, a few things I am seeing and I kind a like these things, for one the word themepark is starting to show up less and less, I am seeing more use of the word "Hybrid" which I think is a good thing, pure themepark games are fun for short term play, but scripted content can only last so long and pure sandbox games, outside of the freedom to do allot, there ends up nothing to do, I have played both over the years. I think this merge of themepark/sandbox should at least in theory gives us the best of both worlds, a chance for our toons to feel like they live in the world and not just playing the the world, to me that is key to my long term mmo play.

I know times and players have changed, and mmo's that have came out the few years have done less than stellar, I think we are at a turning point in mmo;s and we will see some new and at last, hopefully inovative mmo's coming out, as a lot of players and compamies slowly jump off the wow wagon.

We will have to see what the future holds..

If ESO doesn't cut it for me, I also have my eye on Archeage, EQ Next and possibly Blizzards next MMO Titan, but even though I love Final Fantasy and FFXI was my first MMO. I was very disapointed at the first attempt of FFXIV, I played in beta it was horrible, gave it a chance on launch and it was still horrible and know someone who tried the FFXIV beta of the improved FFXIV Realm Reborn and he mentioned a lot of faults with the game, so it does not seem like a good game at all judging by previous experience as not much changed from beta stage.