If I'm not mistaken, the lore mentions the supple teats of the female falmer as one of the race's more notable characteristics.

Show us definitive proof of a race other than mer that share the pointy ear shape with them, then you have a point.

HOWEVER it is on uesp that they may be the ghosts of falmer women, and they have a notably mer-like appearance. There's nothing concrete, but its interesting conjecture.

No-one is 'wrong' or 'right' until Beth take it one way or the other anyway.

Interesting. I did'nt think of that.

They could be falmer necromancers who became a kind of liche. From before they degenerated.
The whisps are the enemies they killed.
They could also be ghosts of falmer sorcorers.
They do look like snow elves.

The pointed teeth, that can be anything. So can claws and pointed ears. Pointed ears can be on any race. Not just for elves/mer.
But they do look most falmerlike.

I read the Snow Prince book. He sounded like pure snow/ice elemental fury.

Maybe Snow Elves/Falmer, were more elemental, than other elves. Very close to their enviroment.
More spirit like, with massive magical power.

And the ghosts or liches they become are very elemental in nature.

This would be better off in the lore forum, not general discussion.

Then again, we already talked about this in the lore forum....

i would rather us discover where the dwemer went

Read the book, "The Wispmother".. it tells you what they are as plain as day, not to be rude... several are located at the College of Winterhold.

The first Wispmother I fought gave me more trouble than all of the dragons combined.

well technically it doesnt tell you what they are it just refers to saying "based on extensive research" this deosnt mean its been made "fact" master sadren sarethi believes they are a form of lich-dom's or powerful sorceresses who have become immortal through undeath and have accomplished this through an ancient and lost form of magic .

not to be rude
but i like the idea of them being snow elves ... i like that theory
xoxox

Gladly, http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111122121013/elderscrolls/images/archive/5/55/20120125135508!Wispmother.PNG / The Teeth may not be completely jagged but, the clawed hands and pointed ears are definitely there bud.

Also, if you'd take a look at this:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-1nnd3MaAPyk/T5y53PsGvgI/AAAAAAAAAYA/X5ltGLh6AoU/s1600/Falmer_simple.jpg
You'd see that Falmer do infact have clawed hands and feet, sir.

Ya, what I said is actually turning out to be Fact.



You've made it quite evident that you are not familiar at all with the elderscrolls lore. So, I'll try to make it short for you... Only The Elven races as well as troll/giants may have pointed ears... There isn't a single canon TES Human alive that has pointed ears... And please, don't try to categorize the Wispmother as some non-sentinent creature like a cave bear or even ice Wraith. That would be simply Idiotic.


Wrong again, if you take a look at the above link to the pic you'd clearly see that Falmer aka Snow Elves do indeed have clawed hands as well as feet. Sure, many creatures do indeed have claws and it is a non-existent trait among most mer. Except, Falmer.

So yet again I have totally debunked another one of your claims.



Yes, your right! it would actually not make any sense for them to have jagged teeth. They're obviously more likely to be pre dwemer-poisoned Snow elves... Thanks for some actually useful input.

Edit: Sorry, your still wrong this http://i.imgur.com/Vocg7.jpg proves that they have sharp/jagged teeth. Much like the Falmer in the adjacent pic... Strange, isn't it?

You must excel at sarcasm then. Because, if I recal correctly... Throughout your post you attempted to debunk and refute my completely true observations with bogus logic. And thanks for stating the obvious, I clearly Implied from post no. 1 that I think Wispmothers are female snow elves. I didn't imply that I knew for sure that they were infact Falmer.


Look, stop being the antagonist of this thread and instead add to it or atleast give some constructive criticism, building it up, instead of tearing it down.

http://i.imgur.com/Vocg7.jpg

Thanks for helping confirm my observations... I just knew I saw wispmothers and Falmer with sharp/jagged teeth. another big step in this growing theory.

Yeah, that's part of the reason why I created this thread. As Danzy80 said, It's just that the book does not definitley indicate that they are indeed Falmer as it gives other explanations about what they are. Although, the Snow Elf Necromancer theory does make the most sense.

Also, another really interesting theory just hit me like a brick... Ok, so if you looked into that whole elderscrolls online announcement you'd know that Bethesda intends on integrating multiplayer in some sort of fashion. Awesome right? Well it gets better, another very interesting comment I caught was that the plot behind the next TES will take us to a time before the oblivion crisis.....

Yeah? So....

Don't you realize it? This opens a HUGE window of opportunity for Bethesda to start from scratch again.

That means this whole "TES online" scheme could be Bethesda's secret way of re-introducing the elusive Dwemer and restoring the Falmer to their much more nobel title of Snow Elf! It's the perfect way of adding two more races to our character board!

Thoughts?!?!?

It's a theory they are Falmer but its not a fact, OP above is a clear reference to that they just may be Falmer. Then again they could be ancient Altmer ghost. Their skin color would not matter very much as they are spectors not living mer.

As far as the whole multiplayer thing goes no, Elder Scrolls Online is going to be a me too WoW copycat nothing more, MMOs are just glorified social sites that you pay for every month.

I love the Dwemer, but I do not want to see the mystery of what happened to them ruined by writers being rushed by deadlines and forced plot limitations. I would not mind a small group of renegades or Yagrum clones hiding away and NOT becoming the Tonal Architects that were the Dwemer in game Lore.
A written "This Is How Our Ancestors Were Not As Smart As They Thought" book by them that explains what did really happen when Kagrenac struck the Heart of Shor, and a Diary of a Skyrim Mage explaining why attempting to repeat the process has proven to be a foolish idea would be a welcome addition to the in game library of Books.

Very much agreed a book detailing the true events of their story would be welcome, but having them randomly reappear would diminish the awe and the mystery of one of TES most iconic races.

I am a huge fan of the Dwemer but they should never return.

Bretons, although mixed with the blood of man and mer, can have pointed ears and elven features. =D Not saying you're wrong, just figured I'd point that out.