You two are both idiots. Can we get back to discussing Skyrim?

Your nephew is one badass mofo. Shake his hand for me will you? (No sarcasm at all...I used to be like that when I was kid )

Great that young people can enjoy Skyrim

Hopefully it will be an experience that blows him away and changes his gaming habits forever.
Then he can tell all his friends, more money for Bethesda and other RPG makers, and the continued existence of well made RPG's for everyone.

Funnily enough, some of the RPG elements need less clicks because they have been removed.

Everything else requires even more clicks than before because the UI is shambolic.

It's still an RPG, if you actually read my posts instead of having a knee-jerk fan boy reaction you would have seen me say so. I just worry about whether future titles will even fit in the genre, or whether they will simply become more and more "streamlined" until they become more like Assassin's Creed.

Way to remove part of my argument. You said that because I thought differently, I was a fan boy. Not in those words, but all the same. I haven't been playing TES long, but that's not the point of my argument. My argument is that TES is, and always will be, among the deepest, most complex, greatest RPGs of all time. To say it's streamlined is foolish, especially when there have been countless added features.

I've played Morrowind and Oblivion. I haven't played Daggerfall, or Arena. But I see most arguments against Skyrim being that it's streamlined from MW or OB. When it truly isn't. It's just different. The way I see it, people love to cheer for change and innovation, and dis those who don't do it. But when push comes to shove, and changes happen, people get pissed.
Not really, I'm just normally a preachy [censored] when it comes to MLP. In fact, this is one of my more light-weight rants. I'm never angry when I post them, I'm just stating general facts about how the show is in no way a fad, how I truly love the show, and how the haters are always idiots who haven't even attempted to watch the show.

As for bringing sixuality up, I was displaying the several arguments people have said against the show, clearly displaying that you'd have to be an idiot to watch the show just to follow a fad. You'll get so much hate, flames, and insults that it'd be suicidal to do it. And yet, the haters always say "Oh, it's a fad." and bring up the exact same arguments for the exact same reasons, showing that their fad-following jack-asses.

Personally, what pisses me off so much about your post is that you attempted to use my avatar to discredit everything I said. Go ahead and insult me or the show all you want. But the second you say that anybody's argument or opinion isn't as valuable as another's because of their avatar?

to explain what skyrim was like i told them it was fallout 3 with swords in a fantasy setting
to explain battlefield 3 i said it was COD with vehicles, destruction and didnt svck

I think that's why he put the "blantantadhominem" tag around that statement...

Just because something is ordered alphabetically doesn't make it dumbed down, it just means it has been organized in a different fashion. This isn't to say it hasn't been simplified, but it won't kill anyone to scroll down to the next sword to see the stat difference. It only requires a memory span of 10 seconds. Plus, Morrowind and Oblivion both were organized alphabetically.

So you can't raise your strength, big deal. The system Oblivion has is way dumbed down compared to Skyrim in the majority of cases. Adding complexity while organizing it so it is easily understandable does not make it dumbed down.

It makes no sense. "Hey, I'm going to experiment in the middle of the forest or underwater. This is clearly the best time since there are creatures all around me that can kill me or I could drown while experimenting". Now you have to find a table and do your experiments in an area that is safe? Why, what intelligent person would dare do experiments in the safety of their home instead of underwater or in the middle of Oblivion?

Not dumbed down, they simply made it more logical.

Taking fun spells like those two out is not dumbing down, it is removing features.

And there is a breath meter, it is just not visible to the player. You can drown, I've drowned once myself in Skyrim. The fact that I have (don't know if you have) come across necklaces with water-breathing enchantments proves you cannot breath underwater [unless you're an Argonian].

I could go on all day long correcting you; it hasn't been dumbed down. Most people claiming it has on here generally have a flawed definition of what "dumbed down" is. They added more complexity while organizing everything else in a better, more understandable manner; it is like reading a book that, on every page, it tells you to "jump to page ###" (page 1 followed by 234 followed by 63, for example). Then reading the next book in the series and claiming it is dumbed down because now you have to read it "page 1, page 2, page 3, etc." It isn't dumbed down; they took out unnecessary complexity, added complexity where it needed, while organizing it in a more logical and understandable way.

You wouldn't enjoy being able to climb buildings in TES?
I think that if they went that path, the only thing they should touch on is being able to vault waist-high rocks instead of having to run around them all the time. Things like that would give a reason to bring back acrobatics and athletics.

I can't picture him playing this game very long.

My nephew is a 10 year old who grew up playing a lot of CoD (which is mostly my fault >_<) It's an easy game for kids to get into as the concepts behind it aren't complex (point at the "bad guys" and pull the trigger). As opposed to something like Oblivion or (insert other RPG here).

I got him to play Oblivion a few months ago (had it on PS3 before PC) and the first thing he did was try to kill someone in the Imperial City (I let him use one of my old saves). He got killed quite quickly and decided the game was boring.

So back to my original point. As a "CoD really devoted fan", I don't see him playing this game very long. Hope I'm proven wrong though.

As I've said, Herping and Derping all over...


So we lost choice? So we are on a set path or something? We cannot build characters anymore?
We can only play an italian assassin that jumps over rooftops?


You see signs that don't exist, you go on how we will lose more content and that somehow will make the game completely different.
Is the whole Genre of Skyrim that different from Morrowind?

Pretty sure all the "Modern Warfare with swords" kids are here a lot...mostly complaining about not being able to 1-shot every enemy in the game with their mage.

Bethesda isn't [censored].

I'm sure if they are reading the forums, their faces 70% of the time resembles this: http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR8zWFIDIxpbsXI-IxLM9nj0ypsvNJgWxJ1OQHmblgISh23q4eZgkMbMR9O

In his defense, the popularity of the show was created around flame bating people. It just blossomed into something more.

On topic:
I do think skyrim is streamlined, but not in a bad way. I think things need to progress in this series.
We can't have the same everything in each new installment. I'm glad they made some changes
as to the way the game works. If the game doesn't evolve it feels like the same thing with a different
back drop. I like the changes because they keep me learning. That's what attracts me to tes series:
the learning curve.

The console bloom nudged these changes. They were going to happen anyway, but I think they
were a catalyst to make it happen faster.

I've been seeing a lot of these ADD comments lately but I let them pass by me due to the kind of misconceptions the internet and Hollywood have created about ADD. Yes ADD has nothing to do with gaming habits but I'm not really going to go into the details of how ADD works unless someone requests it seeing how it is off-topic for this discussion.


Come now, you know better than to respond in such a way. Look at his name and look at his join date. Yes I've fallen into that pit too due to a lack of such people on these forums however as you can see there are some people lurking here with the sole intent of riling up Bethesda fans (we do make easy targets after all, we just don't expect there to be... well you know, creatures that hate fire... on these forums). Just ignore it and focus on what others have written.


Now I'm not going to leave this discussion with just that or I'd be derailing as much as others have. On the topic at hand I don't think it is because of the streamlining that Skyrim has gotten so much mainstream attention, I think it simply lies in the fact that Oblivion came out for both consoles making TES even more known than it already was (well obviously but you know what I mean, even more known on a even larger scale than if it had only been for PC and the 360) and when Skyrim came around with its advertisemants the mainstream audience saw a series they recognized and liked the looks of what they saw, the advertisemant has been quite brilliant after all.

So I think it's simply to do with being more widespread now and better advertising. I don't know if it is really such a good thing for TES to get known, however such amazing catering to people of the mainstream audience who only want pretty graphics and quick gameplay has not been seen until quite recently now that games are reaching the uncanny valley level of realism in terms of graphics and I think even if TES was a small and unknown series they would still try to cater more to the mainstream audience due to it being the better market these days.

Oh and if anyone feels offended, think but this and all is mended, you probably wouldn't be on these forums if you were the kind of audience I'm talking about.

My 7 and 9 year old boys both play it and love it, but I don't consider the game dumbed down because of how much they like it. They don't do quests, they just run around throwing fireballs and swinging a 2H axe at people. It has been streamlined, but it's still a pretty advlt game with the demonic references, violence, and gore.

What's funny is my 4 year old son loves this game, even though I don't want him to play it. I have caught him a few times watching, or getting on it when I go to the bathroom. He tends to run around and watch stuff like the dogs and animals, he also talks to the NPC's which is hysterical. This game really doesn't have blood and gore, so not sure why people say it does.. You swing and no blood comes out, or limbs being cut off. I actually want to get a mod that adds this in much more as soon as I can, not sure why the game got it's M rating other than maybe violence(but there are plenty of pg games with violence so still don't get it).

Are you not in the United States? Skyrim for me has quite a bit of gore and blood, I even got decapitated last night by a boss. Some other countries force game developers to create different versions of the game that limit the amount of blood and gore in it.

I am, I live in the midwest maybe I have it turned off somehow.. will have to check.

I know how you feel. I know I'm an ass for saying this, since I play MMO's myself. I hate it when I see people here say 'WoW' in any comparison. I'm an EQ player so that might be the reason... Too many youngsters who started TES with Oblivion or TES I feel. What with all their fancy terms like herp derp. I still don't know what that means. Basically, even though I know it's good for Bethesda's income and they deserve it, I don't want these young, new, or MMO players to play TES games. Sorry for being an ass to those people whom I listed...

Exactly Jynku. It's just...RPG's are my daily dopamine dose. They are, or should be, intelligent, witty games for people who want to spend time with and in them, who want to think about what they are doing. To me they are the virtual representation of my undying love for well written fantasy fiction.
Then seeing that there are tons of annoying idiots playing this game...It just irks me. I know it's an egoist train of thought and that I should not care, yet I do. It's like listening to someone talking about something he does not understand, e.g. journalists in general. Must be where my hate for journalists is coming from too.

I don't know. I'm an idiot . Skyrim is still a great game, yet I find it an insult to see fools playing this game, even though they are not playing it to its fullest, merely wishing to bash X his skull in. Which is fine, I guess.

Ah well. All I hope is that the instant gratification culture will never dominate developers their perception of a target audience. A greater fanbase is great for Bethesda their revenue, giving them a chance at a bigger budget for the next installment. Yet I can't help but think they'll always cater to those people (and the evolution since Morrowind sort of confirms that for me), and make more 'streamlined' games to appeal to the massive console community too. I call it dumbing down, and I don't want that.

LOOOOL

Kids shouldn't be playing these games. (Skyrim)
No one should play Modern Warfare..... it's bad for the mind. Did you see their latest TV commercial? Idiots.

I'm glad that Bethesda is getting money from stupid kids. Call of Duty doesn't deserve all that money. They make record breaking amounts of money and NEVER PUT IT BACK INTO THEIR GAMES. I feel like if Bethesda keeps it up, they'll just increase the size of their teams and continue pushing the limit.

So I'm glad your annoying nephew and his ankle biting friends bought Skyrim. I'm glad they fast travel everywhere and ignore every single dialogue encounter. I'm glad they run away from dragons and play the game in the lamest way possible... because they're mommy payed 60 dollars to a company that deserves it.

Bethesda gets my vote. F*** Activision. I'm not going to support them until they start producing quality games that take EFFORT. The same crap every year is getting old and I would predict a decline in sales over the next few years. Sadly, they've already made enough off of us that they won't even care. They would have had their 8 years of fame and the record breaking sales to show for it. Ignorance is oh so present in the world of today

All we can do is support the companies that truly care about the advancement of this art

My 7 year old cousin plays Skyrim and Oblivion. She loves it. Don't assume every young person wants to RUINZ MY GAMEZZ ((

Damn...what are you all like 52 or something? Such agism....



/ignorant. Actually dive into what the real problem is with the magic system before you post.

Closed to review.

I am leaving this closed. Rohugh gave you all a chance to keep the thread- such as it is- open, but we got more reports.

Some of you are behaving poorly.

And I call shenanigans on an 11 year old coming up with the "modern warfare with swords" phrasing. Incidentally, people love to try and come up with "clever" phrases like that to make it sound like they are actually doing critical thinking about a game, but in fact, it's just a silly dismissive line.

Now I have to see who gets warnings and what not. Makes me even crankier.