If you want it so bad, then make a mod and use it. stop commenting on every thing that would make the game more challenging and saying "hard core mode" go make it! if you don't want to then stop saying it, we get your point.

Someone one the internet who uses logic?! GET THIS MAN A MEDAL!

65-70% of people are on consoles.

I find master level quit challenging to tell the truth, and there are all kinds of ways to make the game harder your-self if you have some self control.

Here i'll use my argument from past hardcoe posts (sorry if it sounds disjointed just how I feel about it)

"it's not the same as when you have them built into the game I mean if it's house rules I feel like I'm compeating with myself however if they are built into the game it then becomes man VS machine which I find more compelling. I just doesn't feel like an accomplishment if I'm the one making up the rules"

Using facts to spoil a rant....about rants?

Yep. Everyone assumes mods fix everything. Us console users need some love.

I agree with that entirely. That's basically my argument for why they need to fix the whole "smithing+enchanting+alchemy=OP even on Master" problem.

As for the OP's point - I myself have no problem with people's ideas for what they'd like to see changed. I only get tired of people who think that it's a betrayal that it isn't like that now. Argue for X all you like, but if you tell me "It's an OUTRAGE that X wasn't in the game to begin with" then you're just giving me a headache.

True, but to better oneself, one must set goals to be accomplished and to further one's knowledge.What you find challenging someone else might find easy.

I'm a consoley and I use my noodle to make the game more interesting,for example: no fast travel, try using a class you wouldn't use, try playing on master wearing only clothing etc.... Between me and my brother there are too many ideas to list.

I am a console player if it matters, and like the first poster said, i'm not ranting, it's just called common sense. I just wish some people on the internet had some.

Then why would you make a post telling people to use mods when so many can not?

I do all of the above with the exception of master with only clothing. I'm not bored of the game I just think an actual hardcoe mode would add more depth and enjoyment for me, personally. I love this game, I would just enjoy a hardcoe mode, that's all.

Illum, I believe I saw you in another thread, with similar aims to this. Trying to rile the entire forum up aren't you.

People will constantly demand more from a game than be possibly jammed in.

We are harder to satisfy.

ur pretty damn right.

I just want something that I think I would enjoy in the game i have no intention of riling people up however if people do then I guess that means I'm not the only one.
I like skyrim I just want to like it more.

87% of all internet statistics are made up.

76% of me says you are lying to me. Disapprove that 8)

If you really want to get into that I think you might find that the 65-70% is being generous I bet it's closer to 75%

If you desire to surround yourself with philosophers and logical personas, you came to the wrong place, bub. This is the internet: flooded with the simple-minded and diverse. If you really wanted a point to pass through the sieves of a forumer's mind, you might consider placing an actual argument or conjectured opinion rather than proposing the corruption of your surroundings with no real insight to value. Amen.

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1252690-skyrim-community-poll/

DERP. See my avatar.

4/3 of us don't even understand statistics... they just sound good in an arguement.

lol you think this forum speaks for console players.

lol you think made up statistics speaks for actual statistics.

Try this, I posted it befor and got some good reviews.
As a commener you would not be entiteled to a full suit of armor.The only people who would are the rich,those who serve(ed) in the military, or a knight,so it stands to reason that as a commener you would wear clothing or at the most leather,and mabey a set of gauntlets and/or boots, a sword would be passed down through the generations of your family so you woulkd have a sword, no fast travel you would not own a horse 9-10 chances so you would have to beat the feet to where ever your goen. Archery is in, I'm pretty sure everyone in the middle ages could shoot a bow(for hunting purposes) and no magic.Only carry what you need and what you feel is reasonable in potions and supplies.If you run out of potions then your out untill you get to the next town, this forces you to act like you would in real life where as you would judge your fights and not leap head first into a brawl.

Tyr it, I got one goen and it's a blast!!!!