Ambient Occlusion broken with Patch 1.5 : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:33 am

I dunno, the Fallout 3 compatibility profile does re-enable AO - of a sort. The implementation is absolutely awful under that profile. Using Performance there was flickering, but it was acceptable to me, but using the Fallout 3 profile the flickering is horrendous and it's like every patch of grass has a black halo around it in the vertical direction, the effect doesn't seem to lay down properly on the ground surface. I'm going to have to turn it off, and the game looks completely plain without it enabled.

This needs to be fixed, I can't believe a patch would ship with this broken.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:41 pm

Try Modern Warfare 3's version... it looks better in my opinion and has less of a performance drop.

Nice. This will work for me until a proper fix is implemented.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:56 am

I really hope the only reason this is broken is Bethesda has made an early implementation in the renderer in preparation for native AO support, like in the game jam video...

(The rationale being that the 2 ways of applying AO - driver-level and built-in native - are clashing with each other)

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:28 am

Try Modern Warfare 3's version... it looks better in my opinion and has less of a performance drop.

Picking the MW3 AO Compatibility profile doesn't seem to let me enable AO at all. Are you sure you mean MW3?

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:59 am

Any news on this Toppic? I will have to skip the patch till this is solved

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:51 am

I just turned off AO until it is fixed.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 am

Am I crazy or does it actually look like AO is still active on interior locations (in buildings, etc.), it's just not present on the exterior world anymore - most noticeable in its absence from under grass? Maybe I'm mistaking actual shadowing on the interiors for AO, but it looks alot like it's active on interiors. Almost like they DID implement the Game Jam video's AO, but broke exterior AO in the process.

[EDIT] Just checked again by loading inside The Frozen Hearth in Winterhold, both with AO enabled and without, and it's definitely working in at least that interior. It's just not apparently working outside.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:30 am

Am I crazy or does it actually look like AO is still active on interior locations (in buildings, etc.), it's just not present on the exterior world anymore - most noticeable in its absence from under grass? Maybe I'm mistaking actual shadowing on the interiors for AO, but it looks alot like it's active on interiors. Almost like they DID implement the Game Jam video's AO, but broke exterior AO in the process.

[EDIT] Just checked again by loading inside The Frozen Hearth in Winterhold, both with AO enabled and without, and it's definitely working in at least that interior. It's just not apparently working outside.

That is interesting. I have noticed walking around markarth that AO is missing. But in the ratway and other interior locations AO looks like it is enabled. Since the 1.5 patch added shadows to grass. Perhaps a change to AO in the exterior world was inadvertently made??

Would be nice to hear from Bethesda if they are working on this.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:45 am

Gone for me as well. I tested 2 systems, and AO is gone for me on both a 580 GTX with 296.10 drivers and a 680 GTX with 301.10 drivers after upgrading to Skyrim 1.5

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:08 am

its definitely also gone on some interior locations, but not all. weired.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:53 pm

if you choose AO with Modern warfare 3 compatiblity, the AO is still enabled in interior,
It is actually also running in exterior as well, but the effect is not present, you can see the AO still running in exterior by seeing the FPS drops

, I suspect the new implementaition of grass shadows is the culprit
lame...

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:03 pm

I see it enabled on at least some interiors (I say "some" since I obviously haven't been in every interior in the game since the patch, but it's been enabled on every interior I've been in - perhaps not caves, I haven't really checked one since the patch) even with the regular ES5:Skyrim AO profile.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:49 am

a new patch comes out, and i hoped for AO-fix, but still no AO with the optimize Skyrimprofile, only @ Loadscreens. AO is kinda the coolest thing since Bumpmapping. well lets wait for the fix

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» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:08 am

Bethesda, are you listening?

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:29 am

Bethesda, are you listening?

As I mentioned in post #2 of this thread, this issue was brought up during the beta and Gstaff collected dxdiag information and reported it to the team. Ambient occlusion was never a supported feature, but by all means, keep bringing it up. However, you may have more luck getting their attention with personal messages rather than posts in these forums.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:08 am

For a moment I thought I was doing something wrong in not seeing AO. I've got the same issue with the rest here. Jeez, Beth, for every fix you create you create new problems. Is like we are back to square one but with different problems.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:43 pm

Did any of you try the latest patch ? 1.5.26 ?
Did it fix the issue of Ambient Occlusion ?

(I'm still on 1.5.24 and I won't upgrade until for a few more days. Maybe even skip the patch, it doesn't seem to fix that much).

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:15 am

Did any of you try the latest patch ? 1.5.26 ?
Did it fix the issue of Ambient Occlusion ?

(I'm still on 1.5.24 and I won't upgrade until for a few more days. Maybe even skip the patch, it doesn't seem to fix that much).

Nope.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:17 am

Um, Ive got AO just fine. No patch has broken it for me. Nvidia 560ti.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:39 am

Screenies, please.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:43 am

Screenies, please.

Okay.

First screenshot is with AO enabled at Quality: http://www.3dart4u.com/images/with_ao.jpg
Second it with AO Disabled: http://www.3dart4u.com/images/without_ao.jpg

No matter where in the world, there is no visible difference.
Before patch 1.5 there was a real, big difference visible, especially with the grass and bushes and so on. Now, it does not make any difference although FPS is effected. With AO enabled (but not visible) it reduces the fps with around 15 to 20 fps.

Forgot to mention: I only use the normal Nvidia configuration screen, no Nvidia Inspector or whatever.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 3:50 pm

Yup. Although I was looking for the poster who claimed that it worked to provide proof.

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:35 am

Yup. Although I was looking for the poster who claimed that it worked to provide proof.

Ah ok, my bad

But then again, they are screenies then for those who think we are just babbling about the missing AO

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:04 pm

New WHQL from Nvdia (301.42) haven't fix AO issue on my 560Ti
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/752/screenshot2wi.png, but make all the bushes have some kind of http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/5755/screenshot4x.gif
Unless it's a new feature called "bugs clouds" and I need to go back to my alchemy table and brew some insecticide :wink:

» Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:11 am

Not to hijack the thread, but if this SSAO doesnt work for you guys, you can use ENB's SSAO/SSIL. It's really good and I believe more optimized than Nvidia's.

Small video of it working along with Detailed Shadows: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VteXEfs6_Ww

Get it here: http://www.enbdev.com