After playing FO1 and FO2 repeatedly when they first came out, I was really looking forward to FO3. I was rather disappointed that it turned out to be more of a glorified first person shooter than an actual RPG.

I hope Fallout:New Vegas follows more of the RPG philosophy as it's older brethern, where not all deathclaws and super mutants were out to kill you, and a player could actually converse with them. For instance, in FO2 there was a mining colony of super mutant you could help. A super mutant was also sheriff of a town. Same with the deathclaws. There were a couple of deathclaws that you could help, and another that could actually accompany you.

In other words, I hope New Vegas isn't like FO3 where almost every encounter ends in a battle.... see a mutant, fight the mutant; see a deathclaw, fight the deathclaw.

It has been said in the various magazine previews that the intelligent super muties are back.
So you may converse with them, even avoid a fight. (I'm not sure if it's part of the gameplay, or part of a quest)

It has not been confirmed for the Deathclaws though.

With Obsidian as developper, this new Fallout will have as much action as FO3, but better developped RPG aspects, I'm sure of it.

I really hope the game's leveling is balanced. The level cap is 30, and we all know how big of a mistake that was in Fallout 3.

They haven't said anything about remaking the S.P.E.C.I.A.L mechanics, haven't they?
Hopefully we can't become master of 5 skills by the end of the game.

I wouldn't be surprised if they cap skills at 300 like they were in Fallout 1 and 2. After you hit 100 points in a skill it would cost double points to increase it then I think at 150 it was triple and so on. I think at the highest levels, 250-300 you would have to invest 5 skill points in a skill at level up to advance it 1 point.

I liked the way Fallout 3 took away the Super Mutant Sheriff and talking Deathclaw thing actually. I liked them in FO 1+2, but I just think it was better to leave the first official Bethesda entry without them so that they could later "evolve" with their FO games and slowly add them in with newer games like NV and FO 4. Gives me something to look forward to, instead of having a perfect game with perfect sequels that get dull.

Well, the Talking Deathclaws are all dea,d but I wouldn't be surprised if this game tries to capture some of the RPG aspects of the first two games a little more closely.


Also, meh, if Fallout 3 were just a glorified FPS it'd be a pretty [censored] one. I thought Fallout 3 had a lot of RPG depth that a lot of people take for granted. The amount of areas to explore, the amount of people to talk to, the amount of items that can be used skills/intricacies. Not perfect in some ways, maybe not exactly what you wanted, but far from being an FPS. Borderlands is an FPS/RPG, Fallout 3 Is an RPG... that happens to be in first person, and has guns. That you shoot.


But yes, I hope striking up a balance of features from the odler fallout games as well as some of Bethesda's gameplay style from Fallout 3 may produce the perfect Fallout game. Time will tell.

Agreed. I want my character build to matter and have a significance, and not be a jack-of-all-trades.

Master of 5 skills? On my first, nooby playthrough I had 5 skills at lvl 20.
My second, i had all but 2 at lvl 20.
The subsequent playthroughs i easily had them all by 20.
Some changes would be nice, although I kinda got use to being able to do anything, open any door, use any weapon, complete any quest any way, and dial any phone, it would still be nice to have a challenge and focus us in on one spec better

I dont see how shooting deathclaws and mutants are "glorified FPS." I mean, yeah there were some FPS aspects, but the gunplay wasnt all the time. I found that most of the time I was just running around in a desolate wasteland....

I think talking to SM other than an actual companion/named NPC would be pretty dumb, more so with deathclaws.

I agree with deathclaws, the talking ones were a mistake, imo, in FO2. But why would talking to a non-companion SM be dumb?

Having to fight your way out of very thing does make the game a "glorified FPS." Granted you don't have to pick fights with every bad guy in the game. You don't need to fight the slavers at paradise falls but you do have to fight them all at Evergreen mills. This to me does not make sense. If you are cool with them in area A why do they hate you in area B.

Fallout 2 was better for this. If you joined the slavers they marked you so no matter where you went other slavers would be cool with you. Other people would hate you. Not every bad guy attacted you. You could talk your way into any place, make it though the entire game without having to kill alot of people if any. Super Mutants I don't count as people.

New Vegas I am hoping will be more like the first 2 games and tactics.

Over all fallout 3 was good but alot of times while playing it I just felt I was playing a fps. Everywhere I went somethign was attacking me. Till I got animel friend but even then raiders, slavers, others. every couple minutes someone or something would attack me. I spent more time shooting then exploring. which there was only a hand full out of all the locations worth exploring.

If you noticed I said "named NPC" next to it.



Those were Raiders I believe in Evergreen Mills....

At least that is the name that appears when fighting them.

yea I think they were raiders. My point is if you are evil and slaving people the game should have made that clear. Like in fallout 2. If you help the Slavers they should have marked you. Making any slave hate you, good people not like you. Raiders and other bad humans at least be willing to talk with you first before trying to kill you. Fallout 3 did not do this. The reputation system was not there. without this it was more of a FPS then an RPG.

If I was evil and working for the Slavers, Raiders in evergreen mills should have been ok with me. I am bad like them. If I said something to piss them off then they should attack me. Same with other bad people.

There was no way to get talon company off my damn back. Even killing their boss did nothing. having a way to talk to them and pay them off to get them to stop would have been great. I hated having evil karma and have the damn talon guys say "well look who it is Mr. goody two shoes" or something like that. It makes not sence!

Fallout new vegas I think is bring that back.

Agreed, but that hardly qualifies it as a "glorified FPS." In Paradise Falls, becoming a slaver means all slavers in the game are now a friend. Raiders would not be friendly if you are evil because you being very evil would mean you are actually more of a threat. Raider groups were basically gangs, and not being in the gang means you are an enemy. Simple.

When confronted by Regulators/Hitmen for the first time, a dialogue opens (although no matter what leads to fighting).

There would still be hostility yes that I am sure of. But they would still be more likely to listen to you first. They know you are a bad guy. "Not a Cop" if you will. They would be willing to trade with you maybe buy slaves off you. Not just attack all the time. They might even try to screw you over on deals. That would make good quests making sure you don't get double crossed kinda stuff. Or double crossing them.

With the Rep system people of your karma level should be more willing to talk before shooting.

I said this above I added it. Having ways to make deals with talon comapny to get them to stop attacking you would have gone along way to help the game. Every 3rd building I left the same 3 dumb guys would try to kill me. They would call me mr.goodie two shoes when I have very bad karma. Why?

They are mercs they would be willing to make a deal. Say I had 10,000 caps worth of stuff. I am sure one group out of all would make a deal. Go back to their boss with some other body with your vault suit on and say "we got him/her" and get the money from the boss and cheer for a job well done, plus your bribe money. That's a great deal!

But you can't do that in the game. Nothing you do can get them to stop. To me this just makes the cannon fauter they are there just to shoot not to talk to or make deals.

Making the game more of a FPS then RPG.

I would say that Fallout 3 is an RPG with FPS elements, rather then the other way around. I've played games that are "more FPS than RPG," and Fallout 3 is not in with those games.

The hybrid game style made it a global smash.
i dont think the game developers will be too concerned about the handful of people who dont like it.

I agree that would be better. It would be nice to not have to blow away certain factions all the time because they HAVE to be your enemy. I wish Enclave would have been one of those groups you could help....

A handfull is a very big underestimate. I did not hate the game I just hate not being able to make deals with most of the people and factions in the game. Fallout is an RPG first before anything else. When the Devs start putting people and factions like talon company that are only there for shooting, then that makes it more of a FPS.

New Vegas needs to have the Reputation system back. The Character needs to be able to talk with most if not all the factions and cut deals. Like paying off talon company to leave you alone.

I agree with "Greatest Alive" about being able to deal and help with the enclave. Having people as your enemy just because the game makes them so is dumb. For an RPG like fallout and it's history that is.

Mebbe, mebbe not. I think the developers from Obs. are going to make the game they want to make with the tools and time provided regardless of what anybody thinks. And I'd think that with their knowledge of the series they're not too worried about anybody thinking anything anyhow.

Actually they will certainly listen to Bethesda but I guess they dont count.

Was talking of consumers, there.

With that Sawyer person prowling the forum every now and then, I suspect they listen to the fans somewhat.

Who is this "Sawyer" person you speak of?