I watched two bears going at it.

Idunno which is more disturbing, two bears "going at it" or watching them. =p

you won't find any boobies in skyrim, get over with it.
you will need witcher 2 for those.

Dibella disagrees. However, they're stone.

Ha, I suggest the watching part (a joke), since two bears together is natural .

Good point I guess. o.o;

depends on the reasons for watching them and where the hands are whilst watching. That combination is called bestial mastvrbation.

A http://redsbragbook.livejournal.com/8518.html maybe?


Whoa, what's with the judging of women with certain body types or clothing choices? Stripperific armor doesn't fit so well(at all, actually) into the game, but TBH, the game could use more body types in general, for both males and females. Here's hoping some talented modder will take that on at some point...

If anything, I'd like more sixual content.

Seems whenever something related to the ESRB rating is brought up, it always gets derailed into people complaining about American culture.

Right... and the only reason they don't have to do it with the males is because that's the default in the game. As I've said, Beth has always had terrible aesthetics.

As EomanV states in his description of his (or her, perhaps...) port of his/her Shojo Race mod for FONV, s/he grew up in East Asia with anime, manga, and similar entertainment, so why should s/he be forced to have a horrible PC simply for the sake of someone's perception of "realistic"?

Funny, but people seem to forget that there are a very wide diversity of female forms, and just because someone has a beautiful body doesn't mean that they are a centerfold (and centerfolds have been universally positive about their experience, so one might ask why someone else has an issue or assumes that such an act is negative?) Also, the CBBE is a very biased few of what people want for their characters (i.e., it's far too "hefty" for my fairy nature spirit characters... or even for Bretons, in general). We need a port of the Type 3 slim and the Shojo Race mods from FO.

Then again, diverse views about what is "proper" is why, as one person posted, pics of the Finnish Parliment are not allowed here due to TOS.

So much for a game that offers the player choice... only with mods, but even that depends on modders offering actual choice.

i want my character to be fat and smelly.

I'd suggest reconsidering what is assumed/perceived to be "natural" or "normal." That's what leads to stereotypes and discrimination, after all.

For example, consider Thomas Beatie and his wife, Nancy, and the general rejection of him when he announced his first pregnancy. There is an excellent editorial in Nature magazine from 2008 that discusses the problems with assuming that certain things are "natural" while others are not.

she has no nipbles tho, kinda auto-censored

I wouldn't mind making a fat and smelly character. It's always nice to have diversity.

That depends, in part, on which channels you watch. I've seen commercials for the Henry firearms company a few times.

As for the gun culture, I think you're a bit off. The US has had a thing for it's guns since nearly the beginning. The Second Amendmant, which guarantees the right to keep and bear arms, was adopted back in 1791. Heck, the first shots of the US Revolutionary War were fired against British troops trying to sieze the arsenal at Condord. Then there's the old wild west, with the cowboys and indians, outlaws and desperados, and the quick-draws. No, the US has loved it's guns for a very long time. It has nothing to do with the government.

On normalcy and a possible mind-[censored] for some people:

There are women, who look like women, walk, talk and behave like women, have all the external equipment associated with that, were born like that, and yet are genetically male. The only difference is that they have no cervix or uterus, and have internal male gonads(stupid autocensor) instead of ovaries. The condition is called Complete Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome. These women might even look more feminine than genetically female women, since their body doesn't use androgens at all, so they tend to have very little extra body hair etc. Think about that when you next talk to a woman you fancy.

Its going to be such joy seeing my friends faces when I tell them this.
Preferably after theyve just ogled a woman.

I think I learned about this on an episode of House M.D. o.o;

You guys both sadden me and crack me up. Do you honestly believe that the influence of violence in video games has had a greater effect on people than the rampant sixuality that is pushed around in almost every form of media? Ask yourself this question... how many people do I know that had some trauma in their life due to the misuse of their sixuality? Unexpected pregnancies? Sickness? Disease? I bet you know at least one.. Two? Three? Now ask yourself how many people you know that have utilized excessive violence in an illegal, unsanctioned manner. I GUARANTEE you, the first list is longer than the last. And even if there are a few exceptions in this forum, the combined lists of everyone would shove the sixuality problems way beyond violence.

I'm no prude. I love six. I'm married, I have 3 kids and enjoy six quite frequently. The sixuality in the game, while childish imo, is not a problem for me. I know who I am and what I am about and it will not change that. But to put ideas like these in front of a child's eyes when they are still forming their value system, that's a different story.

And yes, I could simply not let him play the game at all. That's the easiest and safest solution here. But the reality for me is that my son and I love video games and TES is the best of the best for both of us. It'd sadden both of us if he couldn't even see the game. So, I simply wanted to know if there was some way I could let him play the best video game ever made without seeing crap that I fear may actually effect his outlook on life.

It's sad that people try to associate this with a specific country. This is Catholicism... a world wide religion. It's sad that so many people find traditional values so laughable while millions of babies are murdered in the womb because of unwanted pregnancies. You might find it funny, but for me, I'll take my path and continue to believe I made the right choices... and I'll raise my children to do the same to the best of my abilities.

A staggering majority of people will have six in their lifetime. It's built into us, allows the human species to exist in the first place,and is the reason why any of us are sitting at our computer today, talking about the issue. Most people WILL have six, and making it a taboo issue that's not talked about and avoiding showing normal healthy sixuality in the media contributes to the problems related to six. YOU are part of the problem. But we'll go there a bit later...

And no, none of my acquaintances has had an unplanned pregnancy or has had any sixually transmitted diseases. That might be because I live in Finland, where these issues are discussed openly and in a healthy manner.


This is a M-rate game. You are failing your child, if you let him/her play it.


Somehow you failed to mention this, and came off as fishing for the "sixy bits". Even after the ESRB rating told you that this game has lots of mature themes, you had to come and fish for specific ones. That should raise most people's eyebrows. Neither six or violence is for children. I find it funny that you're willing to allow your kid to see the latter. No matter which one you consider more inappropriate for a child, the other one still isn't harmless. Personally I consider Sam Peckinpah's http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/ one of the best movies ever made, but I have no intention of showing it to my kids until they're old enough. Sometimes you just have to wait.


Catholicism is (luckily) not a worldwide religion. It's a religion that covers up paedophilia, lies about the effectiveness of condems to promote absolute morality over people's well-being, tries to control women through their bodies, and people through their sixuality in general, and is just generally full of judgemental [censored] like you. The whole point of making sixuality seem bad, and limiting the access of the religious to it, is to make them desire it even more, and thus make them easily led, like a bull through his nose ring. The taboo against six makes you think even more about six, which makes you feel dirty, and so in need of "moral support", which you will go get from your priests. Bam! Instant control!
I'm not saying other religions are much better, but at least some of them don't attempt to push their twisted morality on others.

go to the chapel of dibella in markarth and look at the statues.

So I come in here, ask a simple question, get judged and ridiculed for pages and I am the judgmental one. You, sir, have some self examination to do. You don't know me and you can no longer even recognize simple realities.

"I hear elven girls are INSATIABLE"

Main quest quote lol, if you stop at some key moment to listen to what the people in a certain key place have to say, before doing some key action in order to get farther into said key location

Hope I didn't spoil it for ya

You yourself cast aspersions on people because of them talking about sixuality, and acted generally judgemental and pompous about it. And this isn't the first thread you've done it in, if I remember correctly. I know my own faults full well, but they're not in this area. And I'm not going to let them be used to lead me around, like some people. You're a stooge, and I've seen plenty of people like you. It used to be funny when I was younger, but the older I get, the more tiring it gets to see you people do that little dance of "moral indignation" of yours.

And to add:

Your question was laughable because if you really were asking it to protect your children, you could've played the game first to see what you can show your kids and what not. Instead, you sat on the issue for two months, and then came back asking about it in the skeeviest way possible.