Oh that's a really good question.
Once I went to an Apple store and asked my friend "Why would anyone buy a mac if they can just buy a.. PC?"
He isn't very technical and asked some hot girl who works there. Sure as hell she was employed because of her knowledge regarding the products they sell.
She answered "Well Macs are very stylish and very fast." Then she went to a Mac and started opening windows and moving them around, tabbing through them etc. She didn't use any program, only open windows and continued "As you see, it's very smooth and fast. I use Apple products for (long time) now"
I also forgot, she said they are harder to hack. I may be wrong there but maybe they're harder to hack cause no hacker wants to hack Macs????? Why make a virus for Macs when the majority of people use Windows?????? Does any Apple customer actually think of that?


Now let's see. In my opinion the majority of Apple customers are teen girls with no brain who want to show off to their friends. She was in her mid 20's I guess so she basically was a dumb teen girl when she started and is still pretty clueless. How come every time I meet an Apple customer irl he seems to be pretty uneducated in terms of technology. How can I be so right and still people argue with me about Apple?

You call it stupid - yet its obviously very very successful even by your own admission- I'd hate to see your idea of a "Good" marketing campaign.

If Apple really wanted to focus on people with "no money" they'd build a device for that purpose - a cheap nokia-esque device.

Can you explain a 360 to me? What reason does it have to exist (Why not just buy a PS3?)?

Because a brand name is just that, a brand name. And an expensive one at that.

If Apple started a clothing line where all products wee $100+, people would go out of their way to purchase it, just to show people that Apple = Expensive and The Wearer = Rich. People value money more than it's currency, for the physical life style it grants. Of course, it's not a bad thing to have nice things and let others lust after them, it's just dumb to wear or own something merely because of a brand.

My 10 year old brother never stops promoting Apple products... especially Macs. He tries to get them to appeal to me by telling me they come with some ridiculous amount of RAM or processor cores or something and ignores the fact that few video game developers actually ever create a Mac version of their games, anyway. He just ignores the exorbitant price tags and lack of support and is fixated on promoting Apple products for no reasons I understand.

This.

For all that I like Apple, and have since the 80's, I can't stand their legal department.





..but, then, many large companies have stupid legal departments. :whistling:

I don't get it. Why are you talking as if they really were higher quality?
Why is the iPhone 4 more expensive than the Samsung Galaxy S2 when it's actually worse? Explain that..?

Unless you pay $3000, it's obsolete as soon as you buy it.

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=12294689

I'm not sure. I bought a PS3.

Well, for starters the OSX core is BSD/Unix. Depending on exactly what you target that "Mac-Focused" virus could effect a huge number of unix based machines - machines that the internet runs on.

Secondly, the going price on the black market, according to news reports, is much higher for a Mac exploit than a windows exploit. Want to hack for profit - hack a mac.


And you base your opinion on a handful of people. I work in tech support, have done for 6 years, I have a mac and a huge proportion of my colleges have iPhones.

The comment you quoted doesnt say at all the iPhone is better quality than anything.

I will however answer your question with a question - If Apple's marketing is so stupid (as you claim), why are people buying the higher priced and supposedly inferior iPhone? Either the phone isn't inferior, the marketing campaign isnt stupid, or both. Which is it?

That said, I disgree that the Samsung Galaxy is "Better" - it depends on how exactly you define "better".

Not a handful, everyone I meet. I don't meet 30/40 year olds though. I guess younger people are just stupid then. So why do you prefer iPhone over Android?

Their marketing is actually incredibly smart. They know exactly what to say to get people hooked.

why do you ask everyone you meet their opinions on apple's products

Oh yes, lets compare pre-built machines with after sales service with... something someone put together in their backyard.

Even still, this doesnt prove your claim that its obselete when you buy it.

You probably don't get out enough. If you've ever dealt professionally with people in the creative field, pretty much all of them use Macs. Heck, the university I worked for when I lived in the states also used Macs, and they were a medical university... The sheer fact that people tend to forget is just because everyone uses Windows PCs doesn't mean that Windows is anywhere near a quality product. And they don't have to be.... they have such a market share that they don't really have to bother. Heck, Bill Gates produced a BSOD in an official presentation once and people just laughed and bought the next version of Windows anyway... Compared to most Apple OSes, Windows hogs resources and is unstable, but people have just accepted that that's the way things have to be. Not to mention that Apple was the first to have a GUI.

Not that I'm using Apple - I just know that technology-wise, Microsoft is not all that some people make of it. In fact, I like to tell my colleagues "If it works, rejoice and be happy. If it doesn't, try and try again until it works. Don't try to comprehend why it didn't work and why it now works - it's Microsoft and that road leads to insanity".

As for knowledgeable personnel, there's the joke of a tourist coming to Seattle and booking a helicopter tour. But the pilot gets lost in the fog. So he flies close to a building and asks the tourist to hold a cardboard sign to the window "Where are we?" Sure enough, after a while, someone in the building sees the sign, goes to his desk and comes back to the window with a sign "Inside a helicopter". Five minutes later, the pilot lands the heli at the airport. The tourist asks "How did you manage that? He didn't tell us where we were?" "Had to be the Microsoft building - TECHNICALLY, the help was correct. PRACTICALLY, it was utterly useless...."

You service it yourself. :huh:


Because that's what you can get for about the same price as the best MacBook Pro, which is not even close in comparison?

Neither.. it's the customers who are stupid. People are becoming more and more stupid. That's why companies like Apple can function. It all started with the iPod, that actually was pretty good and then it all went downhill with people started to worship them.
The majority of their customers have hardly any idea about anything and are pressured into buying by advertisings telling them they're more worth when they buy Apple. Or by friends who tell them all day how cool iPhone is. Just because a marketing technique works it doesn't mean it's not stupid. Trying to make a technological device like something trendy is the most pathethic thing I have ever seen in my short life. Devices are supposed to be useful and do the job. Companies are supposed to work on how to improve it, not think of other idiotic ways to advertise their products to kids. Apple knows that if they can mind[censored] some child they'll buy Apple all their life like the girl I mentioned earlier. And if you have any kids you'll know that it's all kids care about. They want stuff that makes them special, like the newest iPhone.

This also hurts business. Years ago business was supposed to be about who creates the better product. Which one is more useful? Now it's all just about whether it's Apple or not.

Many reasons.

Firstly, I don't want my phone to be open - I know, shock horror, a geek that doesn't want "Open"ness; Openness on a PC is great, it lets you do whatever it is you want to do, but we see the cost of that with hardware/software conflicts. I don't want some app I've instaled changing something somewhere that stops the "phone" from working, or overriding something else so I can't access it easily (Win XP wireless adaptor control software I'm looking at you). The closed nature of the App store to me is an advantage.

Second, the software is designed for the device from the ground up. You're looking at the former owner of a very unsatisfied Windows Mobile 5 user which tried to run on a handful of devices made by different people at different times - my phone once crashed in the middle of the night when I wasn't using it meaning my alarm to wake up never went off.

An OS running on 2 different handsets on current release is a heck of a lot easier to troubleshoot than an OS running on umpteen different devices from Umpteen different manufacturers.

Thirdly, when something goes wrong, I go to the Apple store, get it diagnosed and replaced on the spot. Have a problem with a Samsung device? Spend a day being bounced between Network and Manufactuer until someone agrees I can send it to them, and wait forever for a replacement.

What about Android though? Why is iOS better than Android?

You also didn't talk about the hardware of the phones. When I said the Galaxy S2 was better I obviously meant it had better hardware. Yes it is newer and still cheaper than iPhone 4?

http://www.apple.com/uk/iphone/specs.html

http://www.samsung.com/global/microsite/galaxys2/html/specification.html

By that standard, as any bundle of parts is cheaper than the finnished product that includes support, every product on this planet is overpriced.

Compare like with like - the finished product with equal support and warranty periods.


People are just as stupid as they've always been. You're just calling them stupid because they don't agree with you.

Apple "Worship" predates the iPod, in apples dark period (just before the iPod) their fanatic fans were the only thing keeping them alive.

The rest of your rant is just, well, irrelevant. None of that is specific to Apple, that's advertising and its been going on for hundreds of years now. It sounds like you should be turning your anger from just one company that uses it, to the entire Advertising industry, because no company in existence today is any different.

Well, if it also comes with a self-destruct for the point of warranty expiration as my old Galaxy i7500, I'd be hesitant to call it better hardware. Aside from that, it's marketing. If people perceive your product as providing them with more value, they will be willing to pay more... not even that much of a question if the value is real.

Once it's built it's no different than any other PC, and parts all have their own warranties. All I did was cut out the middle man, what's the difference in the finished product?

Already Asked and already answered. TLDR version: Andriod is "Open" (which I do not consider desirable on a phone) and isn't designed for the specific device that it will be running on from the ground up.

Hardware is irrelevant.

Its what you put the hardware to thats relevant.

Personally I can't stand apple to be honest and they are a bigger monopolistic company than Microsoft imho. Recently I read how several companies are screwing over apple by using html5 to bring content to the ipad without requiring the "Special" application to do so which means more money for everyone but apple. One reason I like PC and windows is that it is way more open with things yet with Macs they are really closed minded. I just hope apple doesn't try to enter the console gaming industry though I doubt they would with the decline of it all.