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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 11:47 pm

i think you mean "consistent" instead of "coherent"
We've been over this
Meh, both words would work.

Coherent: 1 a : logically or aesthetically ordered or integrated : consistent

Consistent 2 b : marked by agreement : compatible —usually used with with

It's not logically ordered if it contradicts.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:14 pm

i think you mean "consistent" instead of "coherent"

And I think you should take the time to read what was already posted in a thread before posting something with no value whatsoever.

Edit: Scow beat me to it. Lol.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:07 am

I am level 41 and the only people I see with Ebony are bandit leaders and the like and its only a piece not a full set.. Ebony armor in shops is fairly rare and I have seen only a few in all of Skyrim thus far. Also why are we assuming that Ebony is among the rare in Skyrim. I have run across a mine and some ore deposits of it. So if you can find it why shouldnt the rest of Skyrim be able tio find it.

Also in terms of scaling it makes sense that it becomes more common as you level or else the bad guys wouldnt stand a fair chace. Bad guys need armor rating as much as you do
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:41 am

I am level 41 and the only people I see with Ebony are bandit leaders and the like and its only a piece not a full set.. Ebony armor in shops is fairly rare and I have seen only a few in all of Skyrim thus far. Also why are we assuming that Ebony is among the rare in Skyrim. I have run across a mine and some ore deposits of it. So if you can find it why shouldnt the rest of Skyrim be able tio find it.

Also in terms of scaling it makes sense that it becomes more common as you level or else the bad guys wouldnt stand a fair chace. Bad guys need armor rating as much as you do


"Raw ebony is one of the most precious substances in the Empire, and most of the continent's deposits are here on Vvardenfell. Raw ebony itself is an extremely hard, durable, black glass-like substance, said to be the crystallized blood of the gods. Raw ebony is protected by Imperial law, and may not be mined or exported without an Imperial charter. Ebony smuggling is a profitable but dangerous source of illegal wealth on Vvardenfell."

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Raw_Ebony

Then the Island with most of the mines on it anywhere on Tamriel, which has by the way since then near been destroyed by a moon crashlanding and a giant volcanic erruption, had less ebony on it then the people in Skyrim have

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Ebony

Doesn't make sense. Ebony is harder to come by, rarer and should therefore be even more expensive then it always was, and it has always been (presented) as a rare and expensive thing...
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:14 pm

Vvardenfell exploded. That doesn't account for how ebony got underground in Skyrim (Though in Solstheim it was explained it could be found throughout Tamriel in much smaller quantities), but it does tend to suggest that lots of bits of Vvardenfell are covering the ground in places that are not Vvardenfell. Asto the quantities? You had to mine into volcanic rock to find it on Vvardenfell. Islands exploding tends to bring deeply burried things to the surface.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:23 pm

Vvardenfell exploded. That doesn't account for how ebony got underground in Skyrim (Though in Solstheim it was explained it could be found throughout Tamriel in much smaller quantities), but it does tend to suggest that lots of bits of Vvardenfell are covering the ground in places that are not Vvardenfell. Asto the quantities? You had to mine into volcanic rock to find it on Vvardenfell. Islands exploding tends to bring deeply burried things to the surface.

I agree with this.
New deposits of volcanic ebony and glass would have come to surface during the red year.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:21 am

Vvardenfell exploded. That doesn't account for how ebony got underground in Skyrim (Though in Solstheim it was explained it could be found throughout Tamriel in much smaller quantities), but it does tend to suggest that lots of bits of Vvardenfell are covering the ground in places that are not Vvardenfell. Asto the quantities? You had to mine into volcanic rock to find it on Vvardenfell. Islands exploding tends to bring deeply burried things to the surface.

Vvardenfell didn't actually explode. A volcano errupted, which might I add had absolutely no effect on Skyrim what so ever, and we aren't even sure on how bad it was on Vvardenfell or the rest of Morrowind. Ebony did not just go flying up into the air and land all across different provinces. If you are suggesting that earthquakes completely remoddeled the landscape in Skyrim as to open up ebony mines that weren't there before, then I would wonder how come so little has changed... Why aren't there more cities completely destroyed, why are the mountains still the same? Doesn't make sense.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:08 am

Vvardenfell exploded. That doesn't account for how ebony got underground in Skyrim (Though in Solstheim it was explained it could be found throughout Tamriel in much smaller quantities), but it does tend to suggest that lots of bits of Vvardenfell are covering the ground in places that are not Vvardenfell. Asto the quantities? You had to mine into volcanic rock to find it on Vvardenfell. Islands exploding tends to bring deeply burried things to the surface.
That could very well explain it. I did not take into consideration the Red Year.

Also the explosion would probably have created new deposits around the area. I am curious as to how many pieces of Red Mountain litter the land along with ebony and glass deposits.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:44 am

Vvardenfell didn't actually explode. A volcano errupted, which might I add had absolutely no effect on Skyrim what so ever, and we aren't even sure on how bad it was on Vvardenfell or the rest of Morrowind. Ebony did not just go flying up into the air and land all across different provinces. If you are suggesting that earthquakes completely remoddeled the landscape in Skyrim as to open up ebony mines that weren't there before, then I would wonder how come so little has changed... Why aren't there more cities completely destroyed, why are the mountains still the same? Doesn't make sense.

No, but the red year was a significant eruption and would have brought new deposits of ore to the surface.
The mines we saw during Morrowind had been layed down during the previous eruption and were quite rich in some places.
I would imagine that either the Argonians or the Dunmer, or possibly even an independent entrepeneur, could make quite a bit of money exploiting and exporting the new layers.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:53 pm

Not to mention werewolves transform when the moons are full and vampires of Cyrodiil are the ONLY ones able to blend in.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 12:52 am

Not to mention werewolves transform when the moons are full and vampires of Cyrodiil are the ONLY ones able to blend in.
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Vvardenfell didn't actually explode. A volcano errupted, which might I add had absolutely no effect on Skyrim what so ever, and we aren't even sure on how bad it was on Vvardenfell or the rest of Morrowind. Ebony did not just go flying up into the air and land all across different provinces. If you are suggesting that earthquakes completely remoddeled the landscape in Skyrim as to open up ebony mines that weren't there before, then I would wonder how come so little has changed... Why aren't there more cities completely destroyed, why are the mountains still the same? Doesn't make sense.
A part if the mountain did explode out all the way to the water. The water poorer into the center of Red Mountain and then the water all around Vvardenfell became super heated and its a bubbling mess now called the Scathing Bay.

I know that Morrowind and Vvardenfell are forever changed but uninhabitable no. The Dunmer if Skyrim talk about going to Morrowind I am pretty sure Amir has been restored in the lands or the Dunmer. They are used to living in and around big wastelands anyways, I am sure they have adapted since the events of the Red Year.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:14 pm

Vvardenfell didn't actually explode. A volcano errupted, which might I add had absolutely no effect on Skyrim what so ever,

I refer you to Mount St. Helens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_St._Helens and Krakatoa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa

If you are suggesting that earthquakes completely remoddeled the landscape in Skyrim as to open up ebony mines that weren't there before,

No I am not. What I'm saying is that large quantities of glass, ebony, Dwemer ruins, Ghostgate memorial are no longer where they were when last you were on the island.

Anyone randomly walking around Morrowind or even Skyrim would find bits of all of the above on the surface of the land. No digging. On Vvardenfell itself, huge seams of ore will now be exposed to the surface that previously would have been near impossible to reach by mining because of the hardness of volcanic rock.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:50 pm

No, but the red year was a significant eruption and would have brought new deposits of ore to the surface.
The mines we saw during Morrowind had been layed down during the previous eruption and were quite rich in some places.
I would imagine that either the Argonians or the Dunmer, or possibly even an independent entrepeneur, could make quite a bit of money exploiting and exporting the new layers.

There can be new mines in Vvardenfell, yes. Vvardenfell is a mess. We don't know how much of it was destroyed or what remains. We do know Morrowind is/was in a war with the Argonians and Vvardenfell at least suffered heavily. New mines coming to the surface could be exploited, but it would make sense to at least also start rebuilding cities on the island. Which we hear nothing about, and there isn't a single organization out there with the power to do this on Vvardenfell who also has the desire to sell the stuff to other countries.

Just to illustrate http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Caldera That's an entire town with no goal except for exploiting one mine, that requires some serious finances.
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 8:28 pm



No, but the red year was a significant eruption and would have brought new deposits of ore to the surface.
The mines we saw during Morrowind had been layed down during the previous eruption and were quite rich in some places.
I would imagine that either the Argonians or the Dunmer, or possibly even an independent entrepeneur, could make quite a bit of money exploiting and exporting the new layers.
According to the Elder Scrolls novels the side was completely missing from Vvardenfell. It's safe to assume that some deposits could have landed up in Skyrim or Cyrodiil maybe even farther than that somewhat.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:52 am

Another thing that struck me today while playing this game is, the fact that no matter what build you make, you can still join any faction and finish all of their quests.
I know if something that was present in the TES games, and I guess Bethesda made it so so anybody could enjoy what the factions had to offer with only one character, but still:
Today I finished the last Dark Bortherhood quest wearing a full Dragobone armor set with a Skyforge greatsword... and that's just another thing that puts me off in this game, I could go with the whole roleplaying yada yada stuff but the thing is, with or without roleplaying this is so very wrong in so many ways :confused: .
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Post » Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:20 pm

Another thing that struck me today while playing this game is, the fact that no matter what build you make, you can still join any faction and finish all of their quests.

But that is a choice that is given to you. Some players want to complete all the guilds in one playthrough, and some don't. If it doesn't make sense for your character to join all the guilds then just don't. I haven't touched the thieves guild or dark brotherhood because they don't suit my character, and I have that choice.
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Post » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:32 am

But that is a choice that is given to you. Some players want to complete all the guilds in one playthrough, and some don't. If it doesn't make sense for your character to join all the guilds then just don't. I haven't touched the thieves guild or dark brotherhood because they don't suit my character, and I have that choice.

You had that choice in others, but if you say got caught killing people you were kicked out of the fighter's guild. It was a delicate balance you had to perform to join and ascend the ranks of the guilds. It is a linear and boring progression in Skyrim without any consequences or thought process. I agree, you should not be restricted and should be able to do both. The problem I have is that you cannot truly make an evil character or a good one. There are not enough consequences or paths to choose from.

Further, I have to agree with the DB comment. I did some quest to kill an Emperor and I was running around with my entire armor on weapon exposed but I have a Chef's Hat on so they were none the wiseeeeerr! :\
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