Blackjack jargon

Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 4:31 pm

Since F:NV will have Blackjack I've heard a few terms (or jargon) I have no idea what so frikin ever what they are and less what they actually mean. Namely: Split and Doubling Down

Also some general tips on playing the game would be nice since it's mostly by luck I win
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Luis Longoria
 
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 1:09 am

split: make two hands out of a pair

double down: double the bet
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 11:53 am

Since F:NV will have Blackjack I've heard a few terms (or jargon) I have no idea what so frikin ever what they are and less what they actually mean. Namely: Split and Doubling Down

Also some general tips on playing the game would be nice since it's mostly by luck I win

idk what jargon is but i enjoy Blackjack so i think itll be cool
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Mike Plumley
 
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:51 pm

A tip? Personally, once I reach fifteen or higher, I never double down or hit (take another card) unless I get a gut feeling I'll get a good thing, sometimes a good score, sometimes a miss. Its always fun though.
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Well there is what is called Basic Strategy and it is basic guidelines you generally follow except under basic circumstances for example if you don't know what the count is and you have 16 and the dealer is showing a seven, you hit statically you will come out winning more frequently than staying on 16. Many casinos will only allow to double down on ten or eleven. When you double down you must be on your first two cards and you are saying you will take one more card and double your bet. You can "double for less" meaning you increase your bet by any amount less than your original bet.
There are things which are wise to split no matter what like always splitting aces and eights starting separate hands. It is generally a bad idea to split tens but when counting cards but when it is a high count it is a good idea to split to a dealers 5 or 6.
If you are decent at counting cards your strategy changes. If the dealer is showing a five or a six and your hand is 7 (a three and a four for example) but you know the deck is hot (more high cards than low card) you would double down because the dealer has a high probability of busting since his other card is likely a ten and he is very likely to get another.
There is also something called insurance, when the dealer shows an ace as his up card you are offered insurance where you bet that the down card is a value of ten, if the down card is not a ten you lose your insurance and the hand plays out as usual. If you are dealt a blackjack when the dealer shows an ace you can take even money or hold out saying the dealer doesn't have it, if he does you don't win anything. Insurance is usually a way to spot people who aren't experienced gamblers, unless you are counting cards insurance is ALWAYS a bad idea. If it is a hot deck (particularly on single deck games) there is an increased probability of a blackjack and therefore you might take insurance to hedge your previous bet.
This is all very basic stuff more advanced stuff requires some math >.>
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:41 am

A double down, doubles your bet, but you only get one last card.... For example, when you think a 6 is coming, you double down on your 15...
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:20 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack#Player_decisions

Wikipedia should give you all the info you need
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:48 pm

idk what jargon


It's terms specific to an area of work or knowledge. Like some Medicine jargon could be "Gimme 15 CC's of Ep-E and cool that 3rd before it gets bad"
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:59 am

A double down, doubles your bet, but you only get one last card.... For example, when you think a 6 is coming, you double down on your 15...


I play a lot of blackjack, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down on a hard 15 (like a 10 and a 5, or 8 and a 7). I might double down on a soft 15 (ace and a 4) if the dealer was showing a bust card like a 6 or a 5 though, more because the dealer has a good chance of bust than because I'm think a 6 is coming up.
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:31 pm

Im not sure if this is.. er.. on topic or off, but it has to do with blackjack (Which I don't entirely understand btw.) but will card counting be possible?

For instance, I believe that to properly count, you have to see how many cards the deck has before its changed out. (?) Hence the little boxes they keep the deck in with the see-through tops?

I know, that may not make sense to anybody. What Im wondering, is the in-game accurate enough that something like that is possible?

Also, if you don't know how to play, has anybody heard anything about an in-game tutorial?

I know we are all working on the same trailers, but I miss things. So maybe someone with a sharper eye has seen something.

Thanks for your time!
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 9:58 pm

Im not sure if this is.. er.. on topic or off, but it has to do with blackjack (Which I don't entirely understand btw.) but will card counting be possible?

Thanks for your time!


Dunno if card counting is possible in the game. I think it is but I'm not sure (My brother who works as a dealer says that card counting is fake. His customers try all the time and end up loosing more than they should)

As for Blackjack it's pretty straight forward. we have 1-10 and the jack, king and queen are worth ten. An ace and a 10/J/K/Q card is an automatic win. What your goal is, is to come as close to 21 as possible. Go over 21 and you lose. When you're satisfied with your number the dealer is going to try and beat it. IIRC, if he gets the same number as you (Say 16 for you and 16 for him) he wins.
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:11 pm

It's terms specific to an area of work or knowledge. Like some Medicine jargon could be "Gimme 15 CC's of Ep-E and cool that 3rd before it gets bad"

*sigh* ive heard that one before.
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 7:00 pm

Oh. Wow, that sounds remarkably similair to that silly card game from KOTOR 1. I need to get out more. :P

Thanks for the info! I just saw that movie a while back, with the counting MIT kids, and was curious if the game simulation was that accurate, or less so, due to the luck stat and things like that. Thanks for the basic summary. I looked it up at the wikipedia link too, so hopefully I'll be all set for when the game arrives.
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Oh. Wow, that sounds remarkably similair to that silly card game from KOTOR 1. I need to get out more. :P

Thanks for the info! I just saw that movie a while back, with the counting MIT kids, and was curious if the game simulation was that accurate, or less so, due to the luck stat and things like that. Thanks for the basic summary. I looked it up at the wikipedia link too, so hopefully I'll be all set for when the game arrives.

"New Vegas isn't about luck, It's about having a rigged game."


I'd bet (get it?) there will be a major mechanic for cheating the system, hence why winning too much gets you kicked out.

I'm wondering how card counting will work, will it display what card you'll get on a more regular basis with more INT.
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:44 pm

I play a lot of blackjack, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone double down on a hard 15 (like a 10 and a 5, or 8 and a 7). I might double down on a soft 15 (ace and a 4) if the dealer was showing a bust card like a 6 or a 5 though, more because the dealer has a good chance of bust than because I'm think a 6 is coming up.


Just a basic example... in my scenario you are counting cards... but yes, I know it wouldn't be the usual...
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:39 am

Dunno if card counting is possible in the game. I think it is but I'm not sure (My brother who works as a dealer says that card counting is fake. His customers try all the time and end up loosing more than they should)




Generally speaking, people are seldomly as smart as they think they are. An old joke says that 50% of the American public describe themselves as having "above average intelligence". So you may get people who overestimate their intelligence and try to count cards at Blackjack and fail miserably. But if someone really has the smarts as a legitimate math whiz, and the house is playing with a single 52 card deck, card counting should work.
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Generally speaking, people are seldomly as smart as they think they are. An old joke says that 50% of the American public describe themselves as having "above average intelligence". So you may get people who overestimate their intelligence and try to count cards at Blackjack and fail miserably. But if someone really has the smarts as a legitimate math whiz, and the house is playing with a single 52 card deck, card counting should work.


Yeah but he had people that read a manual and used a pen and paper. He said that when someone can prove to him personally, by playing it with him, that counting cards significantly alters your winnings for the better, then he'll tell the boss. Until then people can count cards all the like
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:22 pm

A A pen and paper is pretty useless in counting cards just so you know...
Counting cards doesn't improve the amount of hands you win by a great deal it only reflects the value of cards remaining to be played. An often overlooked aspect of card counting is that when you have a higher probability to get a blackjack the dealer does as well. For this reason basic strategy is vital. A very very basic counting system called a Running Count or a High Low system is very easy to master, cards 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 (these cards are called bandits) are given a value of plus one 7, 8, 9, are given a value of zero while 10's and 11's (aces) have a value of negative one; so, if you start with a full deck you would start on zero and end at zero.
So, say you are playing blackjack at a table with a single deck (pretty popular in Vegas) you have been taking the small bleed for fourty minutes (betting the table minimum) at two dollars a hand, if you follow basic strategy you should be just slightly under even. Now assume it is just you and the dealer, and finally you get a hot deck, half the deck is gone and the count is plus five (five more tens than bandits) you lay down fifty bucks and get a 20 while the dealer is showing a seven, the count is now plus three you split tens to the dealers seven given that you have a strong chance of getting a better card and a high probability of the dealer standing on 17 (dealers have to stand on 17 unless it is soft 17). One hand gets an ace (blackjack) and the other and eight the dealer flips a ten and you have just won 125 dollars. About now is when you change tables, pit bosses keep track of your wins and losses but they really don't like it when you win consistently at a single table and you don't typically want to stay in a casino more than an hour and half. Card counting is not a long haul game, it is a hit and RUN game. Over long term, card counting only increases your sustainable winnings by about two percent, long term play at a table with basic strategy that leaves your optimum chances at about 53% so it isn't like counting helps you win, it tells you when you are most likely to get dealt a winning hand.
I should also note that is a very simple counting system and while it can help to some degree more advanced systems are going to help a lot more, at the very least a High Low counter should keep track of how many aces have been dealt. The movie mentioned earlier 21 is based on a book titled Bringing Down The House which was advertised as non fiction even though many of the characters and events were fictional. Although it is true that MIT students did make a fair deal of money on the Vegas strip, the teacher ring leader, and pit bosses stealing chips, and strippers cashing chips is not factual. There seems to be this myth about counting having something to do with being good with numbers and television perpetuates it. Card counting is a memory and association game Edward Thorpe, a mathematician set up the system seen in the movie 21 His system was very complex and difficult to learn given that virtually every given card had a different value. In the movie Rain Man the player is able to beat the casino because he is a savant (meaning he has absolute memory recall) so he could always say how many of any card was left in the deck.
If you are serious about wanting to play blackjack i am a big proponent of the Omega II counting system Which is: (1,2)+1 (5,6)+2 (7)+1 (8)0 (9)?1 (10)?2 (11)0 but unless you know how card counting affects basic strategy and probability it is pointless, so get some books and some cards and practice A LOT and i'm not talking an hour or ten hours i'm talking like forty hours before you even try playing at a casino and you will still lose for quite some time until it becomes second nature.
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I guessed it was something like that. Anyway, I think it's too bothersome and I just play normally
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Blarg just wrote a lengthy replay to a tread and was told it was locked hahahahah. Here it is:

Not sure about poker, but black jack, slots, roulette and caravan are in.

Black Jack: Easy-ish (more strategy and less luck)
You win if; You have a higher hand then the dealer (less then or equal to 21) or the dealer busts (he draws over 21)

Cards:
2-10 are face value (ie the 2 gives you 2 points and 10 gives you 10 points
Jack, Queen and King are all worth 10 points
Ace can be either 1 or 11 points you choose

The object is to get as close to 21 as possible without going over.
At the start you will get 2 cards face down. The dealer will get 2 cards, one facing down one facing up for the players to see.

It is everyone against the dealer. Blackjack is about team play if it isn't just you and the dealer.
The strategy part comes from looking at the dealer's card and playing against it.

If say, he is showing a 8-10 point card, then assume he has another 10 point card he isn't showing. (I'm not a huge gambler, but this is just an accepted rule that I have always been told to follow). So if he has 8-10 points showing, you can just assume he has 18-20 points. So that is your target. Even if you have 16 points in your hand, you have to try to get more points via hitting (asking the dealer for another card). The chances are you may bust (getting more then 21 points and outright loosing) but if you are going to loose because he has more points then you, then you might as well give it a shot.

Now lets say he is showing a 5-7, you assume that he has another 10 point card as his under card. So he has, theoretically 15-17. Depending on the house rules of the casino, the dealer HAS to hit (get another card) if his total is under or equal to a hard or soft (hard or soft denotes if his had involves an Ace) 16 or 17. You assume that his next card is a 10 point card there by him busting and paying everyone at the table out. This just another theoretical rule to follow. There are sixteen 10 point cards in 1 deck so if he is showing a 5-6/7 don't hit even if you have a total of 4 points in your hand. DON'T WASTE 10 POINT CARDS, you want the dealer to get them and bust.

Double down: You match your opening bet to get 1 more (and only 1 more) card. This is good if you have a total of no more then 11. You should Double down if you have a total of around 9-11 in your hand. If your opening bet was 25 fallout monies and you double down, you are now betting 50 fallout monies on that 1 hand.

Splitting: Depending on house rules, you can take your hand at the start and split them into 2 hands if they are numerically matching cards; ie 4 and a 4 or king and a king (any 2 matching cards, though some places let you spit up unmatched face cards) You will also have to place a matching bet on the new hand. If your opening bet was 25 fallout monies and you double down, you are now betting 50 fallout monies split over 2 hands.

Push: If the dealer matches the points in your hand it is a push and no one wins. You get your money back.

BLACK JACK!!!!!!!!!!!1111!1: This happens when you are drawn a 10 point card and an Ace. That hand is worth 21 points and is an outright winner. Depending on the casino's house rules the payout is more then 1:1.

Everything is dependent on house rules of the particular casino. Not sure how they will deal with that but I think I heard that little things change depending on which on you are at.

Usually I break even or get a little extra when I play black jack in Atlantic City, but I have an IRL luck rating of 3, so ya. Those are the basic tips and a crit headshot with a wall of text. Not going to get into roulette just because I really don't play and really have no tips other then have a high luck rating. Slots are slots and caravan looks interesting. Have fun!!!
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Post » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:09 am

black jack is about the only game i know how to play lol...

does anyone have tips for the other games as well like roulette?
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:23 pm

does anyone have tips for the other games as well like roulette?



I don't know if there is any real strategy to Roulette. Other than making sure you are not covering the same bet twice. In other words, you put a chip on the number 8, don't also put a chip on the Even or Red or 1 to 12 or 1 to 36 bets too. This way you make sure each chip has a chance to win even if all the other ones don't.

Craps (Dice) don't ask me, that game confuse the heck out of me.
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Post » Sat Feb 12, 2011 8:18 pm

My favorite Blackjack term? "Screw this, I'm going back to the Poker table..."
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I don't know if there is any real strategy to Roulette. Other than making sure you are not covering the same bet twice. In other words, you put a chip on the number 8, don't also put a chip on the Even or Red or 1 to 12 or 1 to 36 bets too. This way you make sure each chip has a chance to win even if all the other ones don't.

Craps (Dice) don't ask me, that game confuse the heck out of me.


All I know is that you can bet on a colour, a row, an area or a number.
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The most important thing I find in straight odds games is not the basic strategy from hand to hand or roll to roll, but betting strategy from hand to hand. I am pretty proficient at overall winning while losing quite a few hands. My strategy goes like this:

1. First hand/roll, place minimum bet. Win, repeat step 1. Lose, go to step 2.
2. After first loss, place minimum bet. Win, repeat step 1. Lose, go to step 3.
3. After second loss, place higher bet. I usually place 1/3 table maximum. Win, repeat step 1. Lose, go to step 4.
4. After third loss, place 2./3 maximum bet. Win, repeat step one, Lose go to step 5.
5. After fourth loss, place maximum bet. Win, repeat step one. Lose, cry in the cormer. Repeat step 5.

What you are betting on is the chance you will lose consecutive hands. At each step, unless you lose step 5, you win more than you had lost to get to that step. This works well unless you get in a real bad run, but you can usually win that back if you're patient. Make sure you are using solid Blackjack strategies already detailed by others here and under NO circumstances go bust. Always make the dealer bust, but never yourself. Hold on 13 and higher. This has never failed me. You can use the same strategy on roulette when you play red/black or odd/even. Sometimes I skip step 3 and go right to 1/2 max after the 2nd loss, and while you can build your winnings quicker this way, there is substantially greater risk. If you feel lucky, do this, or use the safer route detailed above. You win the most on step 3 and 4, while step 5 just protects you from a bad run.
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