Breaking into Dark Brotherhood? : V

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:41 pm

With the new Skyrim DLC being released, I'm considering starting a new character. I'd like to make a role-play character that's 100% morally 'good' - which means no thieves guild or joining up with assassins.

That being said, I do want to get all 3 'Marked for Death' shouts, so the question is -

Is it possible to break into the Dark Brotherhood to obtain one of the 3 MfD shouts?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:30 am

The DB sanctuary is quest-locked, unless you are on PC and can use mods or console codes to get around that you must have the password to get in.

Spoiler

However you can get the password by doing the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest, where you go there to kill them all, not to join up with them. It will still require you to kill Grelod in order to make your initial contact with the DB which may be unacceptable for your character.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 2:37 am

The only way to do that is to do the Innocence Lost quest, and when Astrid gives you a choice of three people to kill, kill her instead. Admittedly, you still need to kill Grelod, but that's easily justified.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:27 pm

Okay thanks, that definitely answers my question. (I have the XBox360 version, so no mods) - and as much as Grelod deserves it, a morally good character wouldn't participate in bringing about her death... (probably)

Thanks for the help.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:19 pm

The DB sanctuary is quest-locked, unless you are on PC and can use mods or console codes to get around that you must have the password to get in.

Spoiler

However you can get the password by doing the Destroy the Dark Brotherhood quest, where you go there to kill them all, not to join up with them. It will still require you to kill Grelod in order to make your initial contact with the DB which may be unacceptable for your character.

Grelod deserved to die

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:53 pm

Grelod deserved to die

That's debatable and completely beside the point. Going to kill her involves accepting and completing a DB contract, even though you're not a DB member at the time and may have no intention of becoming one. The OP doesn't want to do anything like that with this character.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:21 am

Grelod deserved to die

If you are playing a morally good character they would not butcher/kill someone in cold blood in an orphanage lets not forget he is playing a 100% good character. This is a consquence of his character for example I am playing a necromance or a vampire character I don't pick up meridia's beacon even though I could do the quest.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:37 pm

If you are playing a morally good character they would not butcher/kill someone in cold blood in an orphanage lets not forget he is playing a 100% good character. This is a consquence of his character for example I am playing a necromance or a vampire character I don't pick up meridia's beacon even though I could do the quest.

I originally didn't plan on killing her but when she bullied those kids and told them that they were worthless
I killed her and donated 10,000 gold to the temple of Mara
The children are happier I destroyed the brotherhood and everyone is better off

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:35 pm

I originally didn't plan on killing her but when she bullied those kids and told them that they were worthless
I killed her and donated 10,000 gold to the temple of Mara
The children are happier I destroyed the brotherhood and everyone is better off

So? You still killed a women in cold blood someone trying to play a good character would not walk into an orphanage and murder and old lady at the behest of a child. Lets not forget that aventus wants to be an assassin when he grows up.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 7:30 pm

So? You still killed a women in cold blood someone trying to play a good character would not walk into an orphanage and murder and old lady at the behest of a child. Lets not forget that aventus wants to be an assassin when he grows up.

Yeah but then he could help other children like him

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 5:10 pm

Yeah but then he could help other children like him

What? Is this a joke? Have you seen the contracts of the dark brotherhood? That contract just simply had a "good" outcome for the children minus the fact that aventus and the other children may want to be assassins when they are older and I think a morally good character would not want that kind of influence on children. If you butcher the old lady your not a 100% good character since you took an assassin contract of the dark brotherhood.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 7:10 am

What? Is this a joke? Have you seen the contracts of the dark brotherhood? That contract just simply had a "good" outcome for the children minus the fact that aventus and the other children may want to be assassins when they are older and I think a morally good character would not want that kind of influence on children. If you butcher the old lady your not a 100% good character since you took an assassin contract of the dark brotherhood.

Um it was a joke
I was just quoting him
I still think it is the right thing to do
I would prefer the world to be full of assassins than warped children
Anyway is there anything wrong with assassins?
Don't blame the gun for the man dying

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:22 am

What? Is this a joke? Have you seen the contracts of the dark brotherhood? That contract just simply had a "good" outcome for the children minus the fact that aventus and the other children may want to be assassins when they are older and I think a morally good character would not want that kind of influence on children. If you butcher the old lady your not a 100% good character since you took an assassin contract of the dark brotherhood.

Would a 100% good character leave a group of children to be bullies by an old women and then thrust out onto the streets to be beggars, since they have no hope of adoption? The answer to the OP is entirely subjective, and in the end it comes down to OP's decision on what path is more "100% good" than the other.

Morals are shades of grey, not black and white as your trying to make it.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:15 pm

Um it was a joke
I was just quoting him
I still think it is the right thing to do
I would prefer the world to be full of assassins than warped children
Anyway is there anything wrong with assassins?
Don't blame the gun for the man dying

Nothing is wrong with assassins some people need assasinating but a good character would not want to become the gun for a child and would not want children to become guns as well.

Cause that's what happens the children are shouting I am going to be an assassin! Oh I am going to be an assassin when I grow up! Does that sound right to you?

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:15 pm

Nothing is wrong with assassins some people need assasinating but a good character would not want to become the gun for a child and would not want children to become guns as well.

It is a better alternative to the opposite.
Anyway maybe you can find a way for Grelod to have a little accident
Maybe you could accidently throw a basket at her or she could walk into target practice.
You could then spend time in prison to repent and donate 10,000 gold to the temple of mara

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 8:20 am

and as much as Grelod deserves it, a morally good character wouldn't participate in bringing about her death... (probably)

A morally good character would save the children first, because it's crystal clear Riften's guards are corrupt (as noted when trying to enter the city) and will do nothing to arrest Grelod.

That's my justification for putting a knife to her back every time I do it.

Where our characters part ways is I'll walk out of that abandoned shack with Astrid. :devil:

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 6:35 pm

You could hire somebody to accompany you and ask to kill her. It twon't be exacly you doing it.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 9:25 pm

Hmm that is a good idea after killing her do a random crime and turn yourself in justify that you are spending time in prison for killing grelod. Thats a work around for a good character I think.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:01 am

Hmm that is a good idea after killing her do a random crime and justify that you are spending time in prison for killing grelod. Thats a work around for a good character I think.

Or you could break into jail and just wait in there for 240,000 hours

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 1:33 am

Would a 100% good character leave a group of children to be bullies by an old women and then thrust out onto the streets to be beggars, since they have no hope of adoption? The answer to the OP is entirely subjective, and in the end it comes down to OP's decision on what path is more "100% good" than the other.

Morals are shades of grey, not black and white as your trying to make it.

^This.
Grelod puts those kids through hell even though they have been through so much to begin with, the quest is called Innocence Lost for a reason.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 12:15 am

You could use dead thrall to bring her back to life after you kill her
Then you can pretend that she has just decided to join you on your adventures and when she dies for real
It wouldn't be your fault

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 6:28 am

A 100% good character would be so pissed off at all the injustice, racism, corruption, misery and suffering in the world that he would be a ticking bomb. The sight of Grelod abusing children would be the last drop, and he would snap. It would result in a headless Grelod.

It would be like that time when Jesus went berserk in the temple marketplace when he saw people trying to make money off religion (Kinda, not really as nobody died, but kinda). Nobody's perfect. A "weak moment" is a perfect excuse for a good character when he/she has to do something not entirely good to progress.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 5:08 am

A 100% good character would be so pissed off at all the injustice, racism, corruption, misery and suffering in the world that he would be a ticking bomb. The sight of Grelod abusing children would be the last drop, and he would snap. It would result in a headless Grelod.

I think that describes riften as a whole.

» Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:46 pm

I use the lesser of two evils in this situation. Do I kill one woman, and save possibly hundreds of lives and bring down a righteous hammer upon the DB, or decide not to kill that one woman, and let the DB continue what they do? That's my philosophy.

» Thu Jul 12, 2012 3:29 am

I use the lesser of two evils in this situation. Do I kill one woman, and save possibly hundreds of lives and bring down a righteous hammer upon the DB, or decide not to kill that one woman, and let the DB continue what they do? That's my philosophy.

The dark brotherhood only fulfil contracts...
Others start them