The Forsworn are pretty despicable but for so long as The Reach is effectively run by the Silver-Bloods who continue to steal land from the few indigenous inhabitants who've managed to hold on to it so far noone is really giving them a convincing alternative to backing the Forsworn. They've certainly never got justice or protection from the Empire and with the Stormcloaks wanting to install a Silver-Blood as jarl they wouldn't from them either.

If i'm not mistaken the snow elves were the first ones to attack the nords in "The night of tears". Both the nords and the elves existed peacefully until the snow elves decided that they thought the nords, who at this point had done nothing to the elves, were a threat to their population, thus sparking the nords hatred of elves. I do remember someone on the forums mentioning it was because they knew about the eye of magnus in sarthal but im not sure if that is true. so while I do feel sorry for them for how the dwemer tormented and mutated them, they kind of brought it on them selves when They started the war with the nords.

But if i had to pick which one i hate it would be the forsworn.

It's actually easy to miss this stuff.

Mainly the people you need to talk to are Jarl Igmund, Braig, Madanach, Thonar Silverblood(Be sure to read his journal about who was doing the executions). There are several forsworn notes, some of them shed some light on their methodologies and origins. Reading the PGE can help(Note: The forsworn were called Reachmen before Skyrim) They've always practiced a form of taboo magic.(And the redguards, bretons, and nords hate them for it)

The Molag Bal is an educated guess based on several things. Forsworn debase Dibella shrines(Debasing the beauty/six god's shrines seems to imply Bal's preferred method of...intercourse). Briarhearts seem to have some sort of soul corruption/surrendering(Bal's realm) thing going on based on legend of red eagle. The origin of Hagravens. The old shrine in Markarth(Which is likely from the Reachmen's time given Bal's wording) is Molag Bal's.


I wouldn't say the average forsworn is evil. As you notice in the escape from cidhna mine quest, some of them joined up as a means of survival or vengeance against the corrupt ruling class in Markarth. I wouldn't say all of them are devoted daedra worshippers either or you'd have briarhearts crawling out your ears.

If someone "stole" your home how you consider that ? the forsworns were victims; what they became is the result of someone else's avidity -no justification of course,but its not entirely their fault.

They are both victims, however, the affiliation the Forsworn have with the Hagraven is disgusting, which makes me dislike them the most. That and the Briarheart. Not very natural.

Well,i suppose that its understandable from the point of view of an altered mind; i mean ,even having a sixual "exchange" with an horrific creature half beast and half "human" could be intriguing if you seen it from the right perspective

Nords are the cause for those two races so hate them.

Attacking Saarthal was evil and yes, started the war with the Nords, but what the Nords did to the Falmer (slaughtering just about every Falmer in Skyrim and enslaving most of the rest) in return was just as evil and on a much grander scale. I hate how Nord atrocities are excused just because Nords are cool or something. (And no, just because the Falmer attacked Saarthal first it does not make what the Nords did in return any less evil...maybe understandable to a vengeful minded person, but not any less evil.)

I don't like either BUT I would rather fight out in the open where I can run and hide rather than underground in the dark with all of those stone walkways that I keep falling off of!

Neither are inherently "evil".

The Forsworn had their land taken from them. People will claim "oh the nords have right of conquest". Does that make it right? The Forsworn were driven into the state they're in now: a dark magic using terrorist organization.

The Falmer, on the other hand, I pity. Need I say why? Same reason I pity orcs on LOTR.

The forsworn have always been dark magic using terrorists. They just had their own territory before.

This is precisely why the Forsworn should be detested more. You don't "blame" a Sabre Cat for trying to kill you. The Falmer have practically devolved into an animal state where conscience is non-existent. The Forsworn are not there yet. Yet they are hardly different in thier actions, still engage in self-mutilation, human and animal sacrifice, and they keep evil witch haagravens in their employ. They attack everyone on sight with the intent to kill, be he innocent or not. They consipire to kill those who do not even stumble upon their twisted camps (killing innocent people in Markarth) which shows that they are fully conscious of their doings.

It's hard to hate them more than the Thalmor, however, but I still do. The thing with the Thalmor... they are deluded with pride and vanity, but it's their honest belief that they are right that drives them to persecute so many others. For example, they believe that the worship of Talos is heresy and sacrilege all in one because they believe that it's impossible for a man to have become a god, and certainly not equivalent to their gods. They may be wrong, but they are convicted they are right and instead of attempting to use persuasion and philosophical/theological debate to convince Talos worshippers that they are, they choose to use brute force and legislation (probably because their position is unconvincing). It's a mistake, for sure, but they aren't as disgustingly evil as the Forsworn. Thier arrogance doesn't help them here though.

As for Bandits/Outlaws. I definitely don't hate them, but they happen to be sitting on loot that I want. I look at them as adventurers like myself except they've formed a band and have laid stake to a claim over property that doesn't belong to them. They are delusional, indeed.

One thing people might not realize about the thalmor is that their plan involves everyone ascending to et'ada. Not just the high elves. If the Thalmor really are successful in their goal, the souls of man will return to et'ada too. They just won't remember being men or the idea of mortality or creation.

Since Mundus was created, there's been two schools of thought

Elven/Auri-elic: This was a bad idea, lets undo creation and return to godlike spirits instead.

Men/Lorkhanic: Mundus is a way to jump past our old forms into a new ascension even better than our old ones.(Talos and Vivec are two examples of successful attempts)

Falmer ofc. Ugly creatures. Forsworn are common folks fighting for their land

I dont dislike either of them. Though they have both done horrible things they are very much victims of circumstance.