So I really enjoy the looks of the TG armor, but I'd rather not join the TG to get it. So I thought it was impossible and I'll just move on with life in Skyrim. Without any decent looking armor for a bowsman...

Well that changed when a theif was caught in Riften, and bludgeoned to death by EVERYONE. I thought my problem had been solved, someone whereing the armor i want and it's mine for the taking. Or so I thought, upon looting the corpse I find I can not have his armor!

Same with assassins from the DB!! Why is this? I can have any other armor in the game! Want stormcloack/imperial? Go kill one, loot it from them. If you choose. Want ______ armor? go kill ____ for it. This applies to everyone but Theives and Assassin.

Why is this? You can buy companion armor, mage clothes, etc. But in order to get TG/DB you have to join them? (DB has another way of getting it but I don't want that armor)

And while I'm at it, I have another thing bugging me; soul gems. When ever I soul trap someone/something why is it so hard to tell me what soul gem was filled and the type of soul?I hate looking in my inventory to see all my grand souls filled with lower quality souls. I don't think I should check every time to make sure it isn't going to ___ soul gem.

I've been bugged by these two things lately and figured I'd get my two cents in real quick. Anyone agree with these?

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No, I agree with Bethesda's decision. If you want the good stuff, you will have to swallow your pride and join either to get armor. After all, if you got the armor, that's less incentive for you to join them.

Yes I do as far as db armor just do the destroy the dark brotherhood quest and look up a guy named linwe or just try to break into the cistern. There is a set set in the training room

TG and DB armor have special enchantments for being a thief or assassin which is why I think its like that. Sure the collage hands out robes that are good but you will eventually find those. I do wish I could be a loner thief or personal assassin, killing who I like and what not.

O well guess we have to deal with it.

That is a load of crap. The fact that it exists implies that you can wear it, so why can some armors never be retrieved from a corpse? It is one of the less annoying things in Skyrim that I typically would never bring up, but it does warrant attention.

There are many clothing/armor type items that are strangely burned into the flesh of whoever is wearing it and it is stupid to force the player to join the guild just so they can get a suit of armor. You should only join the guild if you want to join the guild, not if you simply want their armor.

I mean, it would make sense to actually be a part of the Faction that your armor represents...

I don't gotta be a deformed snow elf to wear Falmer Armour, so I kinda agree with the OP.

What I really want though is Nazir's gear.

Hmmmmm. Is it not possible then to level pickpocketing and then steal the armour off a TG member? If you know where the secret entrance is and can successfully sneak up to someone then it's worth a shot.

But i don't want to be in the TG or DB. And I don't have to join the college to get robes...

If I remember you can only get companion armor after joining them, which again is kind of silly if you find a corpse with it. Although I have not.

And it makes 0 sense to be able to loot everyone but a theif and a assassin. You can get a blade's sword without becoming a blade. And where thalmor clothes without being thalmor.

so that kind of negates your theory

The secret entrance isn't open until you join which is also dissapointing.

I am of two minds on this.

I think we should be able to loot the armor, but then I also think, that in this game, it needs to be earned. Perhaps there could be a consequence along the lines of the Ordinator Armor. If you ever wore it around them, you were marked for death by the Ordinators and attacked on site in Vivec for the rest of the game, or at least the conclusion of the MQ. However, that armor was just decent armor that you could get a low level with some effort. After a while, other common sets became available that were much better. Nightingale and DB armor is quite powerful and should not be a reward for skipping the faction. So, it would have to be low level, perhaps unenchanted, versions of the armor, if any.

Probably best that these two sets are earned.

Yes I could but if I don't want to be a pickpocket then I'm still out of luck. Granted you can actually take their armor?



I have worn steel plate armor. Does that mean I am associated with the bandits? Since the chiefs where it? What about leather/hide? Falmor? Daedric? Dwarven?

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Well that's unfortunate. I guess you could always try going to the Ragged Flagon and trying it on a member there, but I somehow doubt it'll work on then. I can't picture Delvin talking to me in his cockney accent in just his loincloth.

I'm not sure but if you really want that armour and not join the guild, I can think of no other option.

It does not have to be enchanted. I mean apparently the it isn't because the thief is destroyed when he is sneaking around.

I just feel like it is kind of stupid not to be able to loot the bodies of TG and DB for their armor. Plus there are plenty of powerful things you can get at low levels if you know where they are and how to get them. I've only seen the thief 2 times, and assassins attack me after a certain point in game. So I don't see why it would be a problem? Low leveled characters usually do not encounter assassins (from my experience) and the theives only pop up very rarely.

It's not quite the same, but there is an upstart group of thieves in a cave up the river a bit from Winterhold, Summerset thieves or something like that. You can loot the version without sleeves from their leader.

Sadly, they only appear as part of the TG quest line, otherwise it's filled with regular bandits.

I think a compromise might have been to allow any player to loot an unenchanted, lower-level version of the armors. If they want the full-strength armor they can join the appropriate faction.

Where is this? I remember this quest but not the armor?

This is exactly right. Just like any other armor/weapons in the game.

I don't want it enchanted personally. It's too weak for my character. I get it would be good for a low level, but not for long. Once you can enchant your own equipment anything pre-enchanted is weak.

Well, I can't speak for nightingale armour etc, but shrouded armour is a pretty damn tight fitting stuff, it'd be a pain to peel off a corpse, and that corpse would need the same dimensions as you if you wanted to wear it *gets visions of an Orc trying to struggle into SA taken from a petite bosmer lady*

Vision passed. Vision stuck.

The question from me is, why do you want to look like an assassin/thief but not be one?

Does wearing fur make you look like a bandit?

Whilst we're on that subject, how can armour magically meld itself to ones gender? IMMERSION KILLER etc.