I've been trying to get myself in the mood to support them in one of my playthroughs, but every time i just get upset with their standings and how Ulfric treats people that I end up storming right over to Solitude and doing the Legion again. I've done the Legion a least 5 times!

Any valid pro-Stormclock beliefs that can get me in the mood? :3

That talos guy is pretty awesome, maybe you should make a nord character fighting for their homeland, the empire forsake its roots and rolled over the aldmeri dominion...might make a nord think they'd be better off without a dying empire holding them down...just a thought

That would depend on what you think is a valid motive to create a character.

My best advice on this is not use your own personal restraints and beliefs but use that of the character you create, create somebody that would benefit if the Stormcloaks won.

Talos would be a great reason to side with the Stormcloaks. You could make a religious character that is devout to the nine and wish to preserve them.

I felt pretty bad for killing general Tullius in the end.

I don't like how Ulfric treats the Argonians, not letting them live in the city. But there is nothing stopping you from becoming Thane of Eastmarch and buying Hjerim and marrying one of the three Argonians in the game.

Hell, my first character was an Argonian Stormcloak! Figure that one out... haha!

Why do people always feel they need to be talked into doing stuff in this game. Either do it or don't. It's not like the world is going to flip upside down because you went with the Stormcloaks. It's not like it makes a real difference either unfortunately.

Go talk to Ulfric and join. It's that simple. Neither side is truly the "right" option.

The fact that Tullius does not care about the dragon attacks, especially for the non-combatants (i.e innocent civilians) being caught up in it, and only begrudgingly attends the peace talks at High Hrothgar for the sake of his soldiers, and subsequently, his war is just as bad as Ulfric being a straight up racist. If not worse.

To be honest, I really don't like either side of the conflict and often times choose not to bother doing it on most of my characters.

In other words: Both Tullius and Ulfric are dikes. Which dike do you want to stroke?

Not really. There are plenty of people who support the Empire and worship Talos, which isn't surprising when you notice that the Empire doesn't really do anything to enforce the ban on Talos worship.

Depends on how you look at it in the empire in its current state you have to worship Talos privately and of you are caught by the Thalmor you will never be seen again. In the Stormcloak areas he is free to worship in the open and there are some that would fight for that, I have a character who believes this way in the works.

Valid as in a legitimate reason to become disenchanted from the Empire. Talos worship for example was somthing the Empire fought pretty hard to keep, having sacrificed the Imperial city itself in the war, but in the end had been left with no choice but to accept their demands for its banning.

I think a more reasonable thing would be to become upset over Dovahkiin's near execution, or the Empire abandoning Hammerfell when the Aldmeri invaded it.



Because doing somthing without motivation or desire just to see how events play out isn't the way a lot of people like to play. if for example they can find a way to connect to a cause, they suddenly become lot more interested in the events that are playing out.

Good thing killing Thalmor is something else the Empire is more than happy to turn a blind eye to.

I just don't understand the "Convince me to do this or play as whoever" thing.

I love to RP in games and experience as many different situations, people, problems and viewpoints as possible.

For instance, obviously I would never ever align myself with someone like FONV's Legion, or Skyrims Thalmor, but my personal feelings are irrelevant.
It's a game, and I suppose I just don't have any trouble putting myself in any position.

The imperial nobles are known to be rather corrupt and bicker constantly(I'd offer a spoiler here, but if you've played the DB line you already know it). One could see the emperor and the elder council as completely incompetant and since they're in charge of the legion, lacking in ability to effectively command any force when war breaks out again.

I mean if you're character is learned, reading the great war and rising threat would provide a decent incentive to not trust in the empire's ability to handle the thalmor threat at all.

point a sounds like the empire is to weak to deserve skyrim as a province, and as for your second part it sounds like you could use that reason. Also i have a hard time joining up with the stormcloaks while being any race besides nords. The civil war is a national/cultural issue for them, why would any other race care about the civil war of the nords?

That is also a valid reason, but the idea above is a valid reason for my character, that is the joy of roleplaying be anything you want to be.

Another valid reason is that a persons family was killed in the battle of the Imperial City when Mede II fled the city and they hold the empire responsible, you can be whoever you wish.

Because they are not willing occupants of the Thalmor regime, all of this political intrigue is so interesting and makes for an interesting backdrop.

I hate the stormies but I'll give it a whack. nothing justifies the slaying of kinsmen, the kidnappings of family members and being incarcerated for trying to stop the offenders from carting off your brother/sister/father/mother by the very occupiers who facilitate the Demon eared urine skinned hawk nosed invaders who dare encroach on your divine right to worship Talos...


There...that work?

Right now the empire is riddled with morons who are not fit to lead an empire. They are full of treachery and ineptitude, I will think it will be a glorious day when the empire gains a new leader to rebuild the shattered empire. I agree with your sentiment thay the current rulers haven't a clue on how to wage a war now look at the position they are in, if this was a Septim things would have turned out differently.

I had reservations as well, and found Ulfric to be repulsive and offensive.

But I can tell you this as a fact:
Once you play it thru on the Stormcloak side, you will find that despite the cynicism of Ulfric and his chief general.......................They're Absolutely Right.

Play it through. You'll see.

Yeah it really svcks, cause the generals themselves seem to be rather competant(Just look how quickly Tullius turned things around in Skyrim. The imperials were getting the crap kicked out of them until he showed up.)

Decianus even disobeyed the emperor's orders partially.(And by doing so, probably saved the empire as it gave the Thalmor the wrong idea of the situation in Hammerfell)

Agreed I was excited when I seen at least some general was competant in the empire I was surprised that Tullius had more wherewithal than the upper echelon of the empire. The generals currently are far better than the emperor or council for sure, the empire is hanging together by threads and it just may be the generals that are keeping it together.

The Stormcloaks fight for freedom of religion, and for control over their homeland.

Should that not be enough, you could always roleplay as an [censored].

As someone who plays through as Redguard, I probably should have gone Stormcloak first time around, but I chose the Empire for a variety of reasons. That being said, the Stormcloaks can be perceived as either a provincial/cultural/national rebellion, or they can be viewed as something larger, the next in a series of nails to the old empire. By the latter perception, my own Redguard character (a fan of the Ansei and Cyrus) would certainly side with the Stormcloaks if it means the empire loses. By helping the Stormcloaks, you deal payback to the Empire for ditching Hammerfell when they fought off the Aldmeri Dominion (and WON). So svck it empire; we beat your stinkin enemy without you. Now this Ulfic guy doesn't sound too bad.

That's the best rationalization I can come up with from a Redguard perspective. However it shouldn't be too hard to find reasons to take up arms as a Stormcloak with other races except maybe the Khajiit, Argonians, High Elves, Bosmer, and Dunmer....so half. Yeah...I now see your point.

Didn't the Empire purposely leave legions behind in Hammerfell?