Oh Canada, our home and native land... : Othor Games

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:45 am

To be honest I only know the first verse of our (irish) national anthem, so I don't see why it's a big deal if it's our sons doth command, or all thy doth command, or all hugo weaving commands. I mean, do most of you actually give a toss about the lyrics of something you probably never sing anyway and only hear before the football or whatever?

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:23 pm

Lulz. On that subject, the irish constitution is absolutely hilarious in a sad way, and definetly needs to be changed to be more modern. You'll know what I mean if you http://www.constitution.org/cons/ireland/constitution_ireland-en.pdf

Well constitutions and the such are fine to change as they do have an affect.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:55 am

Is it the same?

I always thought the frenchy canadians where cooler.

Where oh where did you get that assumption?? Those guys are creeps.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:27 am

Where oh where did you get that assumption?? Those guys are creeps.

Le fu-

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Well maybe not the frenchy canadians, but the ones that knew french anyway.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:26 pm

Yup, thats right. The Canadian national anthem is being reviewed and may be changed because of the line 'True patriot love in all thy sons command' to 'True patriot love in all thy doth command' or something along those lines. Why you ask? Because some feel that it is sixist..I could write a long winded response about this and how it is just a political distraction, but that would be political. So its not happening. I personally feel that this is absolutely ridiculous. So do most people that I have talked to. There is this one girl in my Civics class who believes so strongly that the anthem is sixist, and we got into a huge debate over it. I finally was able to shut her up by saying "So, (NAME), did you EVER have a complaint about the anthem before? Ever? Did you ever think before that it was written by sixist pigs and it should be changed before this came up in the news?" She sat down..

Anyways, you guys don't want to hear my life story

What are your opinions on this? Please keep it non-political and if a mod feels that this is already too political then, of course, go ahead and lock it up.

It may not seem important to you but if it is important to some Canadian women why object to it being changed?
Do you want a section of your community to feel excluded?

Its not something I'd get excited about either way but I can see no good reason for wanting it kept the same.

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:53 pm

Is it the same?

I always thought the frenchy canadians where cooler.

We are. B)

Yes it's the same. Translated to fit our french canadian tongue.

Where oh where did you get that assumption?? Those guys are creeps.

:meh:

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:44 pm

Hasn't it gone through a lot of revision already?

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:07 pm

This was Harper's idea? Well time for another election. :grad:

» Fri May 27, 2011 3:10 pm

oh good god what next? i mean no offense to any1 who disagress but i dont see it as a sixist remark made to suppress women. its was made to say that during WWl and WWll to give patriotism to our boys overseas. it was not made to suppress women.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:24 pm

To be honest I only know the first verse of our (irish) national anthem, so I don't see why it's a big deal if it's our sons doth command, or all thy doth command, or all hugo weaving commands. I mean, do most of you actually give a toss about the lyrics of something you probably never sing anyway and only hear before the football or whatever?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hebo8zSy6o&feature=related. It's meant to be sung. So yes, we do know the lyrics, those that don't... Bleh.

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:26 am

Actually I only know the first 4 lines. After that, I lose it.

That's because it turns french after the first four lines.

I mean, do most of you actually give a toss about the lyrics of something you probably never sing anyway and only hear before the football or whatever?

AHAHAHAHA!!!

Every single day in school. Stand, sing the national anthem in english and french. Sit down. Every. Single. Day.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:38 pm

One word sums it up perfectly: [censored]. It's censored of course, but I think you'll catch my drift.

This complaint about sixism makes about as much sense as women complaining they're not equal to men because they don't get to have a [censored], it's stupid.

It may not seem important to you but if it is important to some Canadian women why object to it being changed?
Do you want a section of your community to feel excluded?

Does the song take away your right to vote or force you to make a sandwich? No. It's a song, it's not capable of taking away your liberties.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:29 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hebo8zSy6o&feature=related. It's meant to be sung. So yes, we do know the lyrics, those that don't... Bleh.

Okay, but how often do you personally sing it? How often do you actually hear it at all? Would it be such a shattering blow to national patriotism to change it? I'm not for or against changing it, because I don't really think it matters either way, it's just a song.

Every single day in school. Stand, sing the national anthem in english and french. Sit down. Every. Single. Day.

Oh, well svcks to be you then.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:53 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meLpuF9UMvk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Hebo8zSy6o&feature=related. It's meant to be sung. So yes, we do know the lyrics, those that don't... Bleh.

I remember having to sing it every day back in elementary school. Well, they didn't make you sing it, but you had to stand up while it was being played over the PA.

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:41 am

Absolutely retarded. I defy PC by using the word retarded.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:48 am

Okay, but how often do you personally sing it? How often do you actually hear it at all? Would it be such a shattering blow to national patriotism to change it? I'm not for or against changing it, because I don't really think it matters either way, it's just a song.

Every sports game, Remembrance Day, every day I went to elementary school, Canada Day, any time you hear the anthem. There is no reason to change it, it's not offensive, and if someone is somehow offended by it that's the least of their problems. Add in a bunch of political stuff not fit for these forums, just that the government suspended itself for two weeks to re-evaluate its plan or whatever and comes out with the exact same rhetoric as before along with changing part of the anthem.

Oh, well svcks to be you then.

What svcks about it? I see it as a good thing that should be present more often.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:15 am

People are stupid what else is there to say. I rather like Canada's national anthem no point in changing.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:15 pm

Every sports game, Remembrance Day, every day I went to elementary school, Canada Day, any time you hear the anthem. There is no reason to change it, it's not offensive, and if someone is somehow offended by it that's the least of their problems. Add in a bunch of political stuff not fit for these forums, just that the government suspended itself for two weeks to re-evaluate its plan or whatever and comes out with the exact same rhetoric as before along with changing part of the anthem.

What svcks about it? I see it as a good thing that should be present more often.

But my point is it's just a song, and that changing it or not changing it should be a non issue, I'm sure it's nice for national pride or some other thing I don't care about, but really. There are a lot more things to worry about in your every day life than ''omg the lyrics of a song that has no real bearing on my life has been slightly altered''. The people who are bothered by it are exactly the same as the people who want it changed.

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:30 am

But my point is it's just a song, and that changing it or not changing it should be a non issue, I'm sure it's nice for national pride or some other thing I don't care about, but really. There are a lot more things to worry about in your every day life than ''omg the lyrics of a song that has no real bearing on my life has been slightly altered''. The people who are bothered by it are exactly the same as the people who want it changed.

It's really the principle of the matter. Allowing political correctness to pervade every corner of our society, even allowing it to change traditions that have been consistent and perfectly fine for a long time, is a bit of a mistake. It ties into a larger, more systemic problem of imprecision in language, which can lead to a severely dumbed down society. If we can't really express what we're thinking, because sensitivity issues makes it taboo, then what have we really come to? It's thought censorship, really.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:22 pm

But my point is it's just a song, and that changing it or not changing it should be a non issue, I'm sure it's nice for national pride or some other thing I don't care about, but really. There are a lot more things to worry about in your every day life than ''omg the lyrics of a song that has no real bearing on my life has been slightly altered''. The people who are bothered by it are exactly the same as the people who want it changed.

You must be true neutral.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:58 am

That's because it turns french after the first four lines.
Every single day in school. Stand, sing the national anthem in english and french. Sit down. Every. Single. Day.

Actually, I AM a French Canadian.

I never learned it in English, obviously, and by looking at the french lyrics now, I only know the first 2 lines.

I remember having to sing it every day back in elementary school. Well, they didn't make you sing it, but you had to stand up while it was being played over the PA.

Ugh. I'm happy they don't do this in our French schools.

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:27 am

I still sing Oh Canada every day. In elementary EVERY morning we sang Oh Canada and God save the queen, it makes sense though as that was in Alberta

. It not what they are changing the song to, its the fact that they're changing it and the reason that they're changing it. As I said in the OP, it is mostly a political distraction on harpers part because we just got back from a long prorougement of Parliament ,but lets not get into that. Its tradition and its our tradition. Yes, I care VERY much that our anthem is going to be changed for such a stupid trivial reason. There is a reason that you never heard any complaints about it before hand. Our country has evolved around and with its two languages, english and french. The word 'sons' in our anthem is not supposed to be taken as a sixist or derogatory remark. Its the idea behind that word, the idea that we support our proud nation, our soldiers, our freedom, and our future generations of Canadian immigrants, natives, and...Canadians. Both Men and Women.

/rant..

» Fri May 27, 2011 9:15 am

The could change "sons" to "spawn".

No, I agree, PC gets a little carried away when it wants to edit a national anthem. Its not sixist, its the older, but grammatically correct, language style in which the masculine represents all.

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:07 am

I remember having to sing it every day back in elementary school. Well, they didn't make you sing it, but you had to stand up while it was being played over the PA.

Yeah same here. We had a sub that always told us to sing it. Everyone hated her lol but sometimes the principal played this funky jazzy mix of the anthem and everyone loved that version.

» Fri May 27, 2011 5:31 pm

Yeah same here. We had a sub that always told us to sing it. Everyone hated her lol but sometimes the principal played this funky jazzy mix of the anthem and everyone loved that version.

we had a barbershop version and it was awesome ^_^