Personally, other than Kibilko's problem, I don't see how Xbox is doing it wrong. If anyone is, it would be Sony as of late.

Now, now...

Don't even get me started on P2P for a paying consumer.

I'll take free with issues, over paying for other people's bandwith anyday.

Damnit... this is going nowhere fast.

Yep, but the big deal would be, the iPlay fits in the palm of your hand. ^.^

Na it would be more like this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaHUpWuqNHY

I'm not sure this is the right thread for this discussion, but it appears to my nonenlightened eyes that we don't own our Xboxes, we rent them. Now with the requirement you must be connected to Live, we don't even own the games we purchased. I'm not a lawyer, it's obvious they can do what they like and it'll be legal.
If this 'live' requirement is true of other games, that might hasten the time I get another computer.

I'm absolutely certain in the small print there is an explantion they can make whatever requirements they deem fit. But consider that "Live' is not always available-it often quits in our area. If they can't guarentee 24/7 live, then I don't see how they can make playing a game with it a requirement. Urban areas or 'gold" coverage may be a different story. A neighbor of mine 60 miles away in a one horse town tells me his Xbox Live has been cutting out for long durations.

As for Apple being any better- you're right. I'm dreaming. But the box would be nicer. I was thinking it would be nice to have one last longer than a year. We're on our third 360- one each year.

That looks pretty painful, but on a high note at least it's portable!

No buddy YOU didn't read the OP. He specifically stated that he took his Xbox over to his friends house who didn't have internet. Maybe you should read the article before [censored]ing about others not reading.....

Oh jesus...

You think Steam or Live are bad.

Wait until iTunes gets ahold of your games.

You will never play them on another device in your life, and...

You know what? Screw it...

@OP

Check your HDD, look for the patch. Compare that patch to your saves.

If it isn't there, or is a prior version somehow... download the most recent update. Problem fixed as soon as you get back to your house.

Then, try it again, and post results in the XBOX issues forum. Good luck.

Not sure about your reasoning for thinking you are renting your Xbox. The thing with live would certainly be a bad thing, but it's not quite that bad yet and Apple would likely do the same right off the bat. As for needing a new one each year, well I'm sorry you have such bad luck with your system and I guess I don't know enough Xbox owners because I nor anyone I know has had to buy a replacement.

Yeah but you gotta wonder........................

How would they install the joystick?

You own the system and peripherals. If they were taken from you it would be theft, as its a physical object and you payed for ownership the hardware. You dont own games and never have, you are purchasing a licence to use the software. The owner of the software can stipulate a clause that voilation of the licence agreement voids your entitlement to use the software. You dont need live to play a game except those that specifically stipulate they require it (ie online only games).

If you're male I think it's preinstalled, if you're female... Uhm I don't even wanna think about it.

Ahh... good old End User License Agreements.

Good thing games are still on physical mediums like discs or HDD's.

They can take that agreement and shove it.

iCloud makes me nervous for the future in that regard.

I`ve seen this logic used more and more by impressionable people and- companies. It don`t make it true or right. the idea or rights to the product is theirs but a console is still MY console. Same as a book is still MY book. Would a company take me to court if I took a console I paid for out and dipped it in acid until it died? They wouldn`t- It`s mine. But no doubt they`d whine.


Every games company has a clause that basically says they could rule you with their product if they wanted to. However, the reality is very different and can easily be challenged. They just put that in there to give themselves some cover against a major lawsuit- It means nothing to the ordinary person.

Point is NO company, even today, has dictatorial rule over their product that the common person uses.

Actually, you can be sued for modifying your hardware/software in a way that breaks the EULA for software.

PC,PS3,XBOX360,APPLE...

All part of the contract you sign to play games today, you really don't own anything other than the fancy case it comes in. The second you crack it open to modify it though... touchy ground.

You keep believing that, pal... That`s what they use to keep most people under.

I am replacing Xboxes left and right. They last about 14 months here. (this is where someone gleefully tells me they've had the same 360 for years...) I wish I could rent them and get it over with- let them buy the boxes. That is reason enough not to like Xbox. We stayed away from Playstation for two reasons; one, at the time, Xbox had better graphics and titles. Two, Sony had more problems playing Oblvion.

When I own a product I determine what is on the screen. Xbox recently revamped their console interface several months ago, then changed their minds and did it again several weeks ago. There is now an ad running all the time you are not playing a game if the box is on.

I own one Apple product, a small computer I inherited. We don't have pricey Iphones or whatall. But if Apple had a console, bet it would last longer than the Xbox.

welcome to the modern world, where devs and gamers find it totally acceptable to sell betas and fix them later through online patches, the consequences of that be damned.

its also a fairly underhanded way to keep multiple people from getting 60$ of entertainment from the same copy. get used to it, because the majority is perfectly fine with that situation, and their ignorant, lazy opinion is really all that matters in our inter-connected online age.

You can modify the hardware as you see fit, as long as its not for illegal purposes. However I believe both Sony and MS will bar anyone with a modified system from the network, which is their right as owners and maintainers of the privately owned networks.

I expect bugs in a open world franchise like Elder scrolls. I don't expect the problems that the PS3 has been having.

Well, I'll certainly keep believing exactly what the terms of any contract I agree to are, as I read them obsessively.

Yes.

Thanks for playing though.

I'm not saying they are wrong for doing it, only stating the terms of EULA agreements.

I could post the whole agreement, but to be honest... there isn't enough bandwith on this forum.

The EULA just means that MS or Sony do not have to provide you with any support and can bar you from the networks. It doesnt mean they can take you to court and have you put in jail for moving the insides around if you are not breaking laws in your country. If it was illegal to modify a system in any way those chaps with the Kinect on PC would be already be under a law suit from MS.

Oh and the Official Xbox magazine used to regularly feature "custom" consoles, with such things as the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qu4mT5ek_Ss

Here is a common example of most EULA's :

"...you may use the software only as expressly permitted in this
agreement. In doing so you must comply with any technical limitations
in the software that only allow you to use it in certain ways. You
may not work around any technical limitations in the software."

EULA's very rarely, if ever, list consequences for such actions. But any time you break a contract, which is what this is... you can be held liable...in...court.

Modern Software/Hardware publishers have also taken to a disheartening practice where you must sign a waiver where upon you cannot sue the publisher or creator of software/hardware either.

People have been sued, on plenty of occasions, across all developers....

There's no real pattern to it.

The reason why you can't modify your console is because it leaves the potential for people to compromise the network and user accounts, either for piracy or data mining. When you purchase a console, you're essentially agreeing that the console can only be used for what Microsoft/Sony make it to be used for, which is gaming with genuine software. If people started fiddling with their consoles, it opens the door for criminals and hackers to steal information or play counterfeit games. This is why Steam is gaining more popularity. By requiring buyers to register their games through Steam, it leaves less room for piracy.