You seriously want to pay for this? Just use "showracemenu". Or start a new game.

Skyrim magic has nothing to do with wanting a haircut or to grow a beard.


That response should be included with the "then don't use it" response.

Thus the reason I don't mention that there.

But I do say in the last sentence of my post that hair, makeup and facepaint... Those are okay.

What a strange reason to be against it. How on earth would it have a profound negative effect on the game series, either today or 'tomorrow'? That's a very dramatic view on something quite small - PC Players have this option already with showracemenu and I don't think it's causing the decline of the Elderscrolls series at their end - just enhancing the experience for those that want to use it. And you can't argue with that.

I'm not particularly bothered about how it could be implemented to the console versions. Be it an NPC, a cheat, or a simple menu function - so long as those of us who want it get access to the existing character creation screen again, that's all that matters.

I still don't get why people could possibly be against this? It wouldn't bring anything negative to the table. All it would mean was that some people got to enjoy the game more - and how could anyone have a problem with that? I think there might be something wrong with some of you!

I would be in favour, but for hair and facial hair, dirt and paint/makeup only. Changing anything else wouldn't really make much sense, but my guy not being able to wash and shave doesn't make sense either.

I only play first person in combat. Most of the time in third person. I mean what's the point in inveesting time and effort into the way a character looks if you can't see 'em. Give us a barbershop or something. Or maybe your housecarl could cut your hair and wash off that silly facepaint you regret...like the robot in the Megaton house in FO3.

Because it's not just about people enjoying the game more.
It's about changing the game itself.

Have you seen what people are asking for in these forums?
Multiplayer, co-op, respecs, race changes, new playable races,.... and so much more.
And none of these, if implemented tomorrow in a DLC, will impact me a bit because I wouldn't buy them.
But they would definitely impact me in TES VI when the gameplay and lore would take another hit because of the implementation of these things that "don't affect me".

As far as people enjoying it more... they need to enjoy TES for what it is. A single player RPG where decisions used to matter. I like my TES games the way they used to be. Skyrim is good, but in pleasing the masses, Bethesda took a giant leap backwards in many areas.
If people stop enjoying it... they can stop playing. Because THAT has absolutely zero affect on me.

For crying out loud, if character creation is too difficult of a decision for this many of you, no wonder Skyrim has no real consequences for decisions made in the game. Thanks for messing with the greatest single player series ever created.

They seem to have gone out of their way to make it difficult to see what your character actually looks like until you are 10 minutes in, and finally lose those bonds. When you consider this thread was asking for changes to appearance, not re-perks or the like, I think we are being perfectly reasonable. I made a lot of posts before release arguing against the re-speccing of perks as an rpg needs choices and consequences, but a quick cut-and-dye? You are arguing against something most people weren't asking for in the first place, at least not in this thread.

Why should dirt remain forever plastered to your face? Why can't you wash war paint off. Why couldn't you add (not take away) scars after a particularly fierce battle, or go blind in one eye? Why would cutting your hair or trimming a beard be the death knell for this series?

I've already stated a couple times in this thread that hair, paint, makeup... I'm good with that.

But race and face changes were brought up by others.

And that's why I then brought up the perks and such. Because really, they are all somewhat related in that people aren't happy with the choices they made and want a quick fix rather than live with it or reroll.

And yeh, I understand that you really can't see what your character looks like until 10 minutes in game. But it's only 10 minutes. Start over. I have many many times.

Dude... read the thread.

For the 5th time now... I think... I've said those are okay.

I suggest you read it again. Nobody here is asking to change races. In fact let me highlight some examples for you.


First post.


Thirteenth post.


Fourteenth post.


Sixteenth post.

None of them are asking to change races.

I didn't ever say people in this thread asked for it. I said others brought it up

But whatever. By now you know what I like, want, and don't want.

So this has now become repetitive and a waste of time.
Goodnight.

I wouldn't mind being able to change things I can change in real life, like hair style, face paint, dirt, makeup (eye shadow, etc.). But nothing else.

I would actually like this a lot. Maybe have a spa like place somewhere you could have it done. Granted it makes sense that my character is a dirty prisoner with messed up hair at the start. But after becoming a Thane, homeowner, spouse, head of a faction, etc. he or she may want to clean up a bit.

Giving players the ability to change their appearance (not their race) would have the same impact on other players that clothing and hair mods on the Nexus have. None. There's no connection between wanting to change your appearance and wanting consequences for your actions, because your appearance has no impact on the game. Consequence and appearance are unrelated issues. Might as well tell players they can't use hi res textures because it ruins the franchise.

^ Well said.

Heck, I wish we could have a spell that would wash off all the dirt on the NPCs faces. Call it the firehose.

Ha, or be able to use the (what I'm assuming are) wash basins in our homes. I remember on my first play through after getting to Riverwood, going for a swim to see if it would clean me up.

I really hope that Bethesda will consider allowing us console users to change our appearance.

I say no, There's no value in your characters appearance if you can change it when ever you want >:|
If this is gonna be added, I would prefer it to be quite difficult or expensive to do so.
If you played Fable 3, you should know what i'm talking about.

The Problem with that quote is that when there's a choice to do it, all you are is tempted to do it even when it ruins the value of things.
for example the Duping glitch in Oblivion. It's cheap, easy, and nothing's stopping me from using it, yet it ruins the value of making money on your own, which then leads to being Overpowered and leaving no challenge in the game.

For appearance changing, like i said before, there is no Value in your characters appearance if you can easily change it.
It's hard to put into words but I think it's best to leave this option out, or at most just leave it to Dirt, Makeup, and Tattoos able to be changed. Nothing else.

There's no value in it when my character, that looked young at character creation, ends up looking like a pensioner's decaying foot the second he leaves the tutorial dungeon either.

I might as well staple an eight month old steak filled with maggots to his face.

The reason people want this ability is because they value their character's appearances, not the other way around. If it had no value to them, why on earth would they care about being able to change the appearance in the first place?

There's no 'value' in my character's appearance when I'm not happy with how they look either.

And I don't think you can compare something like changing your character's appearance to money/duplication glitches. They give you an unfair advantage in the game, all being able to change your characters appearance does, if you choose to use it, is make you more content with the character you're roleplaying as.

I don't understand this 'value' you're putting on being not being able to change your appearance, care to elaborate? My understanding is some people here enjoy restriction and being made to put up with a character they're not entirely happy with. As I've said before, PC player's already have this option in the form of showracemenu and I for one have not heard a SINGLE negative opinion of it - just a whole bunch of people who are happy with the characters they've created.

I'm still to hear a valid argument against giving people this option, so far I've heard none.

I can live without being able to change facial structure. But it's idiotic to not be able to change things like hair and beard style.

I have never been tempted to use the duping glitch in Oblivion, or any of other exploits to make my characters uber, including the command console (PC gamer here). Nor do I find that it ruins my gameplay experience when I use the command console to bring up the race menu to tweak my character's appearance. In fact it does the opposite, because it makes me happier with the character I have. Thusly I have more fun playing the game.