Change Character Appearance?

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:15 pm

I'll just repost this here:

Being an avid roleplayer and having specific looks for all my characters I'd love the ability to modify my characters appearance in-game without the need for Console Commands. I try to make the characters within RPGs look as close to possible as their written counterparts, this requires huge amounts of trial and error to get right and with Skyrim's restrictions, far far more error than it usually would. >_>

In Oblivion's case I had the ability to edit my characters multiple times before entering the outside world, giving me a chance to create an almost perfect representation of what my main character looks like as an elf which I enjoyed playing constantly without interruption. I don't have this opportunity in Skyrim and having to work from presets makes it difficult to get the character exactly right, I can compromise with what I make, but once the flaws become obvious to me it's a constant source of irritation. To top it off, I recently received a 'new' TV, the colour and display quality are a lot sharper and clearer than on my old TV making issues with my characters more obvious than ever, for example the scales on my main Argonian character looked like more of a black or grey shade than the very dark green they actually were, this wouldn't be an issue if its appearance, name, personality and actions weren't based off of my black dragon character and now that I can see the colours more clearly it irritates me both in third and first person. The ability to modify his appearance via an item would be a blessing and allow me to avoid restarting characters due to aesthetic issues that arise.

I play on console because I don't have the convenience of a decent gaming PC to run Skyrim, that is literally my only barrier between having access to the Showracemenu command and not. The ability to modify appearance in game was available in Fallout 3 and to a lesser extent in New Vegas, Skyrim may well run on a new engine, but is it really so time consuming to implement a single item in-game that allows appearance modifications? Restrict it however much you like. No name changing, race changing or six changing is fine by me, tweaking and fine-tuning my facial features is all I'm after, if I want to play a different race I'll start the game from scratch to get the full experience.

A simple haircut, the ability to adjust facial features, removing dirt and war-paint etc. is it really such an alien concept for the ES universe? If Jagar Tharn can masquerade as the Emperor for years via illusion magic, why couldn't the player simply alter their facial features? There's nothing lore-breaking or out of place about simple customisation options that could make the game more enjoyable for a player. It's not hardware demanding in any way, because the ability to change appearance occurs at the very onset of the game.

This is the whole fast travel debate all over again, if you don't like a feature, don't use it, but don't whine, [censored] and moan about other players not being entitled to it just because you don't like it.
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Nicole Coucopoulos
 
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:25 am

Very well said Akataras!!
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Marcus Jordan
 
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:35 pm

I would love to be able to change some of the little thing's about my character's look's.

I'm not talking a mod to get rid of the baggs around the eye's ( which DO bother me) but after spending 4 hrs on creation ( no I didn't spend 4 hr's moving sliders, I walked away a couple times and came back) I got him to Riverwood and realized that the skin tone that looked tan during creation was red. What? I as really upset at this, saved, turned off the x-box and went to weed my garden and think if I really wanted to spend another 4 hr's trying to get the same face with a different skin tone, was it worth it. (BTW I would have had to turn off the x-box anyway as it was getting hot, even with the fan blowing on it)

I decided that it really wasn't worth the hassle of trying to get the face back exactly the way I had it, just to change something so minor as skin tone. So I've lived with that choice for 100+ hr's now.

I spend a great deal of time on character creation. The screen it self svck's though, I don't think you get the same kinda lighting anywhere else in the game.

I really don't see how making small changes avalible to console users would "make the series even worse" as pc player's have been modding their characters probably since the first game. While I totally admire the creativity of alot of the screen shot's that I see and some of the mod's are kick @$$, their are just as many that are more ummm damaging to the game play than being able to have a smaller version of the creation screen later in the game. ( taking out race & six at the very least)

I'm sorry but it really sounds to me like a case of " I don't want it, so you shouldn't have it". Have you griped at the ppl who mod sooooo many things into their games that it no longer looks like what came out on 11/11/11? ( I'm not talking about the improvement's to texture or thing's like realistic lighting, sounds etc)

But over and over again I have read that one of the biggest draw's to TES games is the ability to "make the game look the way "I" want it to look", I really don't think this is a statement from console users, or ppl that just started with Skyrim or Oblivion. Beth even gives pc users the creation kit so they CAN make those changes. So have you griped about that?

Sorry my post is so long.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:33 pm

Sorry my post is so long.

No apology necessary. And well said. ;)
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:10 am

I second that. Really good points Areial.

I think that's a really valid point you made about spending so long in character creation; knowing it's a one-take deal puts a lot of pressure on the player to create something perfect that they'll love 100's of hours down the line; This paired with the flawed character creation (lighting conditions/shadows etc) makes this a near impossible task without constant replays through the tutorial. This kind of 'pressure' to get it right first time stops that aspect of the game from being fun and turns it into a time-consuming obsess-fest for the creative roleplayers amongst us.

If you're reading this Bethesda, please do us console users a huge favour by allowing us to change our appearances. The mechanics for such a feature already exist in the form of the character creation menu, we just want to be able to access it again (sans gender and race, obviously). There's absolutely no valid reason or good argument not to do so (just a spiteful few who seemingly take issue with other's enjoyment over such a harmless feature, which really wouldn't affect them anyway) - but there's many a good reason TO include it.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:08 pm

Hello,

So I know this has come up a lot, but it’s something that frustrates me time and time again and something that’s probably not on Bethesda’s list of priorities – if they’ve even caught wind of it. It’s something a lot of other people on the console versions of the game (sans showracemenu) suffer with – being unable to change your appearance!

I think one of the worst things a game developer can do in an RPG, is restrict a player from creating the character they want to be. Making the character creation a one-take deal was a bad idea for those of us who actually care about such things; consequently like so many others, after spending a vast amount of time creating my character (with a lot of care and attention) I’ve since noticed things that I’d like to tweak here and there – which if I could, would leave me content and able to enjoy the rest of the game without it bothering me. A lot of you might not understand, but when you’re a creative type who enjoys role-playing, it’s very frustrating when you’re not satisfied with your creation – and restricted from fixing it.

Now some would argue that there’s no ‘plastic surgery’ in Skyrim and I’d agree, that would be stupid. But there’s magic (and the same ‘magic’ that brings you back from the dead when you reload a save, or allows you to pause and dink potions and eat vast amounts of cheese and venison whilst fighting a dragon) - It doesn’t even have to be an ingame feature in the form of a magic mirror or whatever, a simple menu would do! A lot of people want the ability to change their hair/beards/warpaint/make-up/dirt and for some reason oppose being able to change other features – I really don’t understand why anyone would want this restriction? You wouldn’t have to use it if you didn’t want to! (though I can understand why changing your race would be off). My issue with this restriction isn’t only frustrating when I’m discontent with how a character looks. I’d love to add scars after a challenging battle, or physically ‘age’ my characters after they’ve retired from a lifetime of adventures – things I’d feel would enhance my gameplay and make it more enjoyable.

Given the more complicated features within the game, I don’t imagine it’d be a huge undertaking on Bethesda’s part to include such a feature within either a patch or upcoming DLC and it’d make a big difference for a lot of console players. Here’s hoping…. :ermm: (whilst envying PC player’s with their lovely showracemenu – hisss! :devil: )
Sure I wouldn't mind, but they could even add more to the character creation, more hairstyles, warpaint etc. Plus a few more colors for some armor, I want the leather on my studded armor to be black instead of dark brown. :thumbsup:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:10 am

0.01% cares about how their character looks. Why? It's a first person game.
That is 100% wrong .
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:34 am

Yep, it's a roleplaying game. Character appearance is a HUGE part of that for RPers.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:06 am

I still think this is a worthwhile topic to discuss..
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:44 pm

Yes please.
been asking for this for a long time :3 Good for roleplay too,pretend that your character gets old (change hair colour to grey+ get bald)

Man that would be sweet.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:34 am

I'm for it, why not? Give me a potion you get from the DB or TG that changes your facial features. Makes enough sense to me.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:28 pm

Absolutely, why not - there's no good reason to not have such a feature - it'd do nothing but enhance the game for those that wanted to use it, in a big big way.

What's more, there's so many ways to implement it and justify having such a feature in the game. Some people have suggested that there should only be a barbers to alter hair/facial-hair/warpaint, but to be honest that would be a pointless limitation. I think most people would much rather the entire character creation menu again, facial features n all, just without the gender and race options. I really think a mage or the like would be the best way to implement it. Originally I thought this concept might not work, as I wasn't familiar with the intricacies of Elder Scroll's magic and it's limitations, but as another poster quite rightly pointed out - Jagar Tharn impersonatd Uriel Septim VII for a number of years with the use of magic, so it's absolutely possible - and doesn't intrude on the Lore, if that really matters for such a small but worthwhile feature.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:49 pm

Snowflake.
Oic wut u did thar :thumbsup:

I wouldn't like being able to completely change a character's face- people in Skyrim aren't as materialistic as we are. But I would like the option of adjusting hair color and style, dirt etc.

I agree.

0.01% cares about how their character looks. Why? It's a first person game.

*Sheds a tear for whatever troll-mother lost her child to the Beth forums*

Yes. People don't understand us creative types. I have a vision of a 4 armed Orc warrior that can quadruple wield swords. But he has caphuchin monkey ancestry and therefore is in posession of a prehensile tale. But what's even more notable about this particular appendage is that his capuchin monkey grandpappy was also a demigod among his fellow monkeys, so therefore it has magical properties that allow it to wield a shield while at the same time constantly cast flesh protection spells without any magicka costs.

Why is Bethesda so intent on stifling my creativity?

Or they could just continue to work on fixing bugs so that the game is fully functional.

You should be on the Bethesda staff!

You seriously want to pay for this? Just use "showracemenu". Or start a new game.

Guess what? Not everyone has Console commands, and some people don't want their high-level characters looking ugly. :dry:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:44 am

I'd certainly pay to tweak my characters appearance, either with in game currency or buying an upcoming DLC if it included the feature. If only us console players had the console! I'd love me some showracemenu.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:36 pm

I agree that the ability to change your character's appearance is essential to a supposed RPG. The people here who says it's useless or irrelevant cause it's a 1st person game must be COD players who came to the wrong forum?

I'm glad I'm on PC and can use the Showracemenu, but I do feel for people who does not have that option, and I wouldn't mind seeing a barber or other in-game option added.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:59 pm

Adding options for changing war-paint, hair, facial hair etc would be preferable.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:10 pm

We need this feature badly but only for the cosmetic stuff such as Hair, Beard, and Makeup. Skin Color, Race, gender, those should be locked in from the beginning.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:47 pm

Changing race/six would be fine.

If it was through a Polymorph spell that is temporary.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:04 pm

I agree that the ability to change your character's appearance is essential to a supposed RPG. The people here who says it's useless or irrelevant cause it's a 1st person game must be COD players who came to the wrong forum?

Agreed!
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:09 pm

0.01% cares about how their character looks. Why? It's a first person game.
i play in 3rd person
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:36 pm

0.01% cares about how their character looks. Why? It's a first person game.

actually, about 90% of the people who will be playing when DLC comes out care about their looks. why? it is an RPG game not an action game.

this is a good idea because your charatcer will, at some point, want to change their hair (and alteration magic should already be able to do something so simple)
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:51 pm

actually, 90% care about their looks. why? it is an RPG game not an action game.

this is a good idea because your charatcer will, at some point, want to change their hair (and alteration magic should already be able to do something so simple)
Exactly. I think i care to much how my character looks x) and also i choose a bad armor that looks good over a ugly armor that is amazing.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:52 am

Exactly. I think i care to much how my character looks x) and also i choose a bad armor that looks good over a ugly armor that is amazing.

you can never be too beautiful :teehee:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:17 pm

Hair and warpaint should be changeable and why it wasnt implimented is just bizzare. I want to make use of warpaint but i know id look odd when im walking into Elenwyn's party in nice finery but having a big black hand slapped on my face. It wouldn't have taken that much to add some stylist vendor in would it?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:19 am

you can never be too beautiful :teehee:
But my character isnt exactly beautiful x)
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg827/scaled.php?server=827&filename=nyaolav.jpg&res=landing
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