I thought the big to-do about Crysis was the bleeding-edge graphics, and seeing how many explosive barrels your rig could handle.. Now that the graphics are dumbed down, and the construction set unavailable, what's left?

Dumbing down another game for the consolers. :facepalm:

dumbed down? How?

Yea, I will get this in December. I have quite the list of games starting to pile up. This one makes the cut.

Mainly in the graphics department. The game itself is more or less the same otherwise.

This. The game is known for its vibrant graphics. Now they have to be dumbed down for consoles that use ancient graphics.

Oh, I know that of course, I was confused because dumbed down is usually used to describe gameplay not graphics or at least that's how I've seen it used but anway.
I don't see how it's a bad thing that the consoles get a port whos graphics are lesser than it's PC counterpart so they can play it though. That applies to pretty much any cross platform game and especially one with graphics that still bring powerful PCs to their knees. Why the facepalms for something that doesn't negatively affect you and brings another game to the console crowd?

Can't handle the graphics? Add in over the top HDR! It'll cover up those blemishes. Glare! WE NEED MORE GLARE!!!

"Dumbed-down"... a term that makes absolutely no sense in the context put and only serves to lead people into believing a group, in this case console players, is less intelligent simply by it's usage... despite someone actually understanding what it means or not and how it doesn't fit in said context...


Interesting fact about PCs... they are not all the same by any means and, regardless of what people seem to imply, max settings are not the only setting on any given PC game. There are people that do make use of lower settings (settings lower than what either console version of said game use)... such as in a game like Crysis, hence pretending that the PC version is defined by inherently better graphics is absurd because it depends on the widely varying hardware available and since there is even the possibility of the PC version being set to lower settings than either console version, it is not inherently true that the "PC" (a term that is used as though it described a predictable and identical-across-the-board type of hardware... which is false) is more powerful in addition to the term "dumbed-down" having absolutely no proper place in what you're describing.

I strictly play consoles and that's not how I took it at all. Look, this game wasn't exactly praised for it's ground-breaking FPS concepts, it was huge because it was a benchmark of the power of your rig. A year or two ago, there were only two kinds of computers: Those that could run Crysis at max at 30fps or better, and those that turned into a slab of steaming plastic and metal trying. So, in this context, yes, the game was "dumbed down" to be able to run on a console without causing two major electronics company's warranty/service departments imploding.

I think their point was that the only thing special about Crysis was the incredible graphics. Take those away and you have just another shooter. the last thing consoles needed was another FPS... I beleive was their point.

Win. Crysis was a benchmark for judging how good a system was if it could run this game maxed out. Now its like going in reverse graphics wise to be "ported" to a console.

It doesn't matter how you take it. That's what it means... and subconsciously, it turns some PC players into jerks that think they're more intelligent... and surely you've seen people such as that. Regardless of how you take it, that is what it literally and directly means (and I wish more people would actually pay attention to what is being said, because its definition as is as clear as could be for anyone that speaks or writes English) and those are its origins. It originated as a way for people to imply one thing or person is less intelligent than another, that is still what it means, and that is still how it is interpreted by a vocal minority of PC players. People still use it even if they aren't part of that minority (hence my wish for more people to actually pay attention to, anolyze, and understand what, exactly, they're saying instead of simply saying it because others do), but the term is flat-out insulting in its nature, its origins, its meaning, and even its usage.

When I hear "dumbed down" (in this context), I dont think of people, but what they did to X mechanic. You could argue that the graphics were dumbed down. Not to appeal to idiots, or whatever, but becasue consoles couldn't handle it. You could obviously use a better word than DD, but I knew what he meant. At least I thought thats what he meant, and not talking down to console players.

Good graphics does not "smarten-up" a game.

edit: nvm

Let 'em find a way to bring a Total War to consoles, then we'd be talking.

You knew what he meant because the meaning, as with so many words, has been misconstrued and then widely spread because people just don't care if it really means something different than what one would think based on its usage. For example, take the widespread misuse of the phrase "couldn't care less"... which means someone simply could not care any less as they care as little as possible, already, and are no more able to be any less caring as they've hit the lowest bar in the caring rating system. For whatever reason, people use the phrase "could care less" to try and convey a "couldn't care less" meaning... but "could care less" literally and directly means the exact opposite of "couldn't care less" and people say it without actually knowing what they're saying, regardless. "Dumbed-down" in its modern, improper usage still does directly insinuate that something is dumber, or less intelligent, than something else.

That is what it means and when people see that phrase over and over again, they associate it with what it's being used to describe... hence we reach the stereotype (that you all know exists if you've been on the internet for more than a few days) that consoles are dumber platforms for dumber people... and I still stick to my point of capable PCs still being even weaker... hence I can play Crysis on my own crappy laptop at a playable rate because the PC version does, no matter what anyone tries to ignore, feature lower settings... low enough that even my laptop, which is far less capable than my PS3 or a 360. Since that is the case, why does nobody call the PC settings or the laptop I'm playing on "dumbed-down"? The reason is because it's a PC... and the term "dumbed-down" and its correlating mentality have made certain people susceptible to the belief that PCs and anyone who plays on them are more intelligent.

Semantics.
Etymological origin and popular usage are two very different things. Using the Urban Dictionary, which defines popular usage, not true etymology, we arrive at this definition:



Now, by use of the popular definition, it's use was well within proper context.

:wacko:

It's not semantics revolving around its etymology, it's its actual definition and what it sparks in the mind of the people that see and use it, regardless of how conscious they are of it. You know the stereotype of console players exists and you know the term is still used to perpetuate the stereotype:

: to lower the level of difficulty and the intellectual content of (as a textbook); also : to lower the general level of intelligence in

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dumb%20down

I think we're getting a little off track here...

If graphics are simplified, and are less complex, wouldnt that mean its a less intelligent/inferior designed system, even though they have to make it that way for consoles?

In the end, it could have better graphics than the PC, and it would still be just anther copy paste shooter, that console players didnt really need. As a console gamer, Im pretty confident in saying that.

Agreed.
I won't be getting it as I am not a huge fan of FPS, let alone one that's only notable achievement had nothing to do with core gameplay.

I find it more fun than sitting around discussing, in one-liners, the graphics of the PS3 and 360 version not being as good as the graphics of a maxed-out/higher PC version.