I've searched around and I can't find anyone else that has this problem, so it may just be my rig acting up.

But I have this one little tiny area that I need to place a rock over and each and every time I go to that one little spot my computer reboots. Not even a crash to the desktop, I mean a hard reboot to BIOS.

It doesn't seem to matter what, even any, programs are running in the background because I've turned just about everything off except needed system stuff.

I've turned the clocks down to 4ghz (from my normal 4.8ghz) and still get the boot right at that spot I need to fill with a rock.

Has anyone else had this occur?

My system:

Core I-7 2600K
H60 Water Cooler
Corsair Vengeance 1866 8GB
Asus P8P67 Deluxe mainboard
MSI GTX-580oc video card
Ultra X3 Modular PSU 1,000w

BTW....I've taken everything out and blew out any dust that was in the parts and I've run some apps that say the temps are hovering around 98degrees F but the problem still happens.

Wow, that's a strange issue you've got there. But so far in my CK use I have never had a reset...

If you computer flat-out restarts, that means you for sure have a hardware problem somewhere. Unless you have your computer set up to automatically reboot every time a STOP (BSOD) error occurs.

Right-click Computer, select Properties, Advanced tab, Settings button under Startup and Recovery. Make sure the "Automatically Restart" box in the System Failure section is NOT checked.

I honestly don't know why that option even exists. A BSOD is something you NEED to see, no matter what your tech-savvyness is.

If, after that, you do not get a BSOD, your issue is hardware (likely PSU) related.

I'm going to run Prime and a few other things tonight.

But what I find odd is that I can go all over the place in the CK. It is only at that one little tiny spot that the computer completely reboots instantaneously and without warning.

I forgot about that little box!

Thanks!

I'll go and try again and see if I get the BSOD or hard reset.

Computer rebooted again.

I opened the Event Viewer and it shows Critical events with the source being Kernel-Power

Under Details it says:

"The system has rebooted without cleanly shutting down first. This error could be caused if the system stopped responding, crashed, or lost power unexpectedly."

I don't think it necessarily means it's the PSU though

Lock your doors and windows tonight.

I will be stealing your computer on the morrow.

The morrow I say!

/useful comment

I'll throw this in.... CoolerMaster HAF-X case

It doesn't mean the PSU, that's just a generic "unexpected shutdown" error log.

Might be clashing drivers. Check the device manager that you don't have multiple drivers of the same kind. If you do, disable one of them and see if that stops the reboot.

I just had a 15 minute or so run with the CK and nothing happened.

Then I let that little area come within the render window and BAM!.....reboot

A hardware problem wouldn't care about whether that little spot was inside the render window...it's gotta be either a driver error or something, like Thomas says.

Gawd I hate trying to chase down these kind of things.

Is that are a custom area? (New worldspace or interior?) If not, try going there without your mod active.

If it is, have you tried on another computer? (I'd be willing to try for you if you only have one computer)

Thanks for the offer Alexander!

The issue is in the blacksmith cell within the mod.

If you want to check it out here's how to get there

Load up aaa in the CK

Find your way to the basemant and you'll find a jail cell with a couple of characters outside of the door to the cell.

At the other end there is a trap door.

You should see a gap around the trap door. That is what I have been trying to fill in with some rocks.

But, on my computer anyway, I get sent directly to BIOS. Do not pass GO do not collect 200 dollars.

I just updated the codecs and the crash happened again.

Here's the files:

http://lamplight.pcgamingnetwork.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=34

Thanks!


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I also re-installed the graphics and audio drivers too

I just tested it out and no reboots or crashes for me. The trap door in question is through the spider webs, correct?

No crash for me either. I got some strange errors loading your esp and that cell, so maybe they have something to do with what's causing you the trouble.

I took the liberty of plugging up the holes, substancially reducing the z fighting on the cave shaft pieces, and plugging up the gaps below the hole (Except for where you obviously intended to continue the 'hallway') and saved: http://www.mediafire.com/?z1lt0rx2uxtc278 Not sure if that helps or if you'll be able to continue work now. Do with it as you please.

Did you try reinstalling the CK? It's obviously a conflict somewhere on your machine. Maybe a file got corrupt or something.

Thanks for your help dj!

Yes, the trap door is behind the web.

Thanks Alexander!

I am using your .esp so I don't have to worry about the constant crashes. I really appreciate you doing that for me

I've updated and/or reinstalled every driver and codec I can figure but I still get the crash in that one little area. It's odd as H*ll, I think.

Was going to run Prime last night but real life intruded in my fun LOL

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Forgot to mention that your .esp, even though it was saved from your computer, causes the same crash in the same spot

I was kinda hoping that saving from a different computer would get rid of a bug or something in the .esp.

Normally I'd say it was the 98deg temps you said you get... WOW. And I thought my occasional 85deg was bad. Having used to overclock MBs back in the day (when we actually NEEDED to)... that's what it sounds like - that you've overclocked it to within an inch of it's life (which will severely lessen the chips' life if they aren't rated for the 5 million degrees you're running em at heheh). I saw you have a nice cooler, but it could be liquid nitrogen in there.. temps are temps.

But since you say it always happens in that same spot, it sounds like it may be a shader issue. Loads of these types of errors exist in Vanilla, and especially in custom mesh assets (if you use any). So whatever it is would be conflicting with your video driver and/or card... then (as suggested) your system may simply be set to reboot when stuff like that happens. Did you check that system setting?

What about cloning the entire cell and trying it somewhere else? Deleting everything in the cell? (of course, backup before taking such extreme/temporary trouble-shooting measures heheh) How's about shutting off various things in the CK's "view" pulldown (like markers, water, trees, etc)?

[EDIT: if you HAVE indeed OC'd your MB/chipset, perhaps the voltages need to be tweaked... you mentioned 'kernal power'. I haven't OC'd something since WinME days (I had a sweet AMD Sempron I could almost DOUBLE the speed of!)... so I'm WAY out of touch with the modern architecture and operating systems' nuances.]

95F is only like 36C which is totally fine... CPU's can run up to like 50-60C which is when you really start having problems.

Wat, double post.

ooooo... I thought 98c - so you can imagine my surprise heheh. That makes SO much more sense, given that after-market (?) cooling system. Yea - 60c is nothing, mine's actually running at 58 as I type (but laptops ALWAYS burn hotter - hence the limit to how fast they go compared to desktops).

A strange thing happened this morning

The system reset all by itself. I didn't even have my hand on the mouse.

I can do everything else but when the CK is the active window it will randomly reset the computer.

/stumped

I know you said you didn't touch the mouse, but it may have been positioned to cause this already: while running Fraps, I can see the fps rate of the renderWindow is very low (about 15fps), while the mouse is NOT inside it. Once the mouse is over that renderWindow, the fps shoots up into the 100+ range (and my screen can only handle 60fps). Because it seems to FORCE that excessive refresh rate, and/or some kind of hardware/device-related issue that may be affected by the sudden jump.. that may be the issue.

I'd still be curious to know if you overclock... a system as fast as that shouldn't crash regardless - unless there's a virus/trojan or some other system-related issue (which would most-likely require a complete system-wipe and reinstall Windows, and everything else). But overclocking can cause issues as I mention above - specifically the voltages would be my first guess, as the temps seem to be just fine (quite low actually).

The system originally was oc'd to 4.8ghz and I turned it down to 4.4ghz a couple of months ago. Never had a problem.

Once the problem started to come up I turned the ratio down to 4ghz, without playing with the voltages and whatnot.

I'd like to return it to defaults but I haven't yet found the setting for that in the Asus AI Suite.

What I would like is a utility that would keep on eye on things and create a dump or something when it crashes. As it is I have no idea what happens immediately before the crash.

I reinstalled the CK and it is still rebooting

I tried several other programs and it is only the CK that is causing the crashes

As it stands right now... the Creation Kit is pretty useless

I'd really try to find (online most likely), what those MB defaults are.. and how to set them back. I'm fairly certain you had to change the voltages when you up'd the clock speed, but if they were left high when downclocked, it may go haywire in certain situations (but presumably more often than is actually happening in your case). I about fried an ASUS because of that.. it's about the time I gave up overclocking anyways, since the more modern hardware and OS platforms are way quicker and efficient than they used to be.

Not for nothin, but if THAT system needs to be overclocked for something to run faster - it sounds like you need to wipe Windows anyway (it REALLY gets slower over time, the more junk gets loaded into it); either that or the app/game that's running slow is just DESIGNED that way (like Skyrim.. only two cores and limited memory, and the Papyrus slowdowns, etc etc).

What's strange is that the CK is the only apparent thing that does it... do you have 3DSMax? That's fairly intensive, not unlike the renderWindow of the CK. Also, have you tried to do what you want in a different area? ...knowing what actually triggers it would go pretty far in preventing it obviously.