Well, which is it? Tap or hold? See, that's strategy right there.

I feel the exact opposite. 1st person kills annoy me.

If you're dual wielding or using a 2h, it's tap.

If you're using magic, it's hold.

Yes, quite strategic.

Ruin? Ruin? Oh LOL.

How does this ruin anything? You do realize that it has no effect on good tactics, skill and observation, right?

Complaining complaining ring around the complaining

Shut up shut up we all shut up!

^ Maybe on novice yeah. Try taking on a snow troll with an iron sword on master. Thats how I roll, try and hack n slash your way out of that.


^ cos that's an argument right there, telling me I'm wrong with no counterpoint. See above.

3rd person kill arent even that bad, but they happen WAY WAY TOO OFTEN. Every pack of wolves I fight I can 100% guarentee a cutscene will kill the last one for me.

The forced third person is a big [censored] you from Bethesda to its oldest fans.

I'm not one of those people who bashes the devs for not letting us have kids with our wives, lay siege to Solitude in massive battles or 'finish' whatever my interpretation of essential features is.

But this is inexcusable laziness in direct conflict with their own concept for the series. It's couldn't have possibly been a design choice. They just didn't want to deal with steadying the camera and animating the claws for werewolves.

Kill cams should be dependent on the type of enemy as in boss, it look pretty stupid getting it on critters but it's cool on the deathlords.

As below pants, yes they underestimated the audience, I have a strong feeling that the majority is familiar with pants and how they are used.

I don't like the Kill cam either.

Waaaaahhhhhhh bethesda have forsaken me. I can't believe what they're doing it's a big [censored] you to long time fans. How dare they. I can't believe it. Daggerfall/Morrowind was nothing like this.

Well go back and play daggerfall then if something as small as kill cams are destroying your enjoyment of the game.

95% of the time i play in 3rd person...so a 3rd person kill cam is cool to me
btw, an option to turn them off should be nice anyway, i just won't use it

I don't like the kill cams, but they don't come close to ruining the game for me.

Your comment contributes nothing to the discussion.

They ruin it? Really? So playing the game with the occasional third person kill completely overshadows the pros of the game and ultimately ruins the gaming experience? Well my friend, it sounds like you get very little enjoyment out of games, since there will always be something that is disliked with a game. You are blowing something minor out of proportion to make it seem as if it is the Achilles Heel of this game...

I like them, wouldn't use a toggle.

Hi Earthlinger.

I don't like them either, but I wouldnt go as far as saying they kill SKyrim, especially since they're so infrequent or non-existing if you play as an archer. Toggeable Kill cams for the three archtypes in the point of view of your choosing would be the perfect solution. Here's hoping DLC will feature them.

I like them.

Some people like them, some people don't.

Solution? Give an option to turn them off, everyone is happy.

Uh.... I do play on Master, with no companions and no magic allowed. You have the same copy of Skyrim that I have, with the same developers, and the same "combat system." Stunlocking with power attacks is not complex, it isn't "tactics." If you're going to try and tell me that you outsmarted the frost troll using combat tactics, I'm going to laugh and call you a liar.

Like I said, there's no tactics in this game (you could argue sword and shield, but that's really shallow tactics).

I only play in 3rd person myself. But I agree that those people who play in 1st shouldn't be forced to play in 3rd.

And the same goes the other way around. Those of us who play in 3rd shouldn't be forced to play in 1st, either.

If the animation was better I wouldn't mind them, they almost always look pretty janky.
But I completely agree there should be a toggle for people who dislike them.

I thought I'd hate it, but I actually really enjoy it. Makes taking screenshots so much more fun. However, I guess a toggle option wouldn't hurt.

MANY games that aren't RPGs give you the option to turn "kill cams" off. Kill cams don't belong in RPGs. Third-person kill cams break my "fourth wall" and ruin my immersion.

...but my voice will be drowned out in the laughter of this generation's gamers, so why even bother whining about it? I'll just have a drink and wait for a mod.

@ PhonAntiPhon below:

The problem is it's just one more choice taken away from us. It's one more step for TES toward becoming simply a "video game" a la Battlefield or Call of Duty. Immersion means a lot to some people, and having the game determine it's going to insta-kill your current enemy just to wow you with a flashy move in third person gets annoying after the 100th time.

Personally I don't see what the problem is.
It's only a piece of animation for heaven's sake...

Someone didn't read the in-game book "The Mirror". Shame

As someone who plays 98% of the time in 1st person.... I find the 1st person finishing moves pretty awkward. The 3rd person ones, on the other hand, let me see my character being pretty badass . So yeah - a toggle would be nice. So that I could just get 3rd person ones, and no 1sts anymore.


One one hand, I am a bit surprised that they didn't have a toggle, like in the Fallouts. On the other hand, the "finishing moves" seem to have game mechanics attached to them, not just aesthetic animations - I'd swear that enemies die with more HP than I think I'd take off with a normal swing. If that's the case, then I can understand why they don't have a toggle to change how combat is calculated.



also, nice hyperbole on that "RUIN". Seems like (as with many of the things over the past months that people have declared worst thing ever) a minor issue at best. A small annoyance. I really don't see how blowing something so out of proportion that no-one can take your complaint seriously, isn't conducive to actually getting action or support.