I don't want to be superman. I feel like I'm not given the c : V - Skyrim

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:13 am

Are you serious? The side quests and miscilanious quests are why I buy TES. That I enjoy the main quest in Skyrim is just a bonus. I've played dozens of characters in Morrowind and Oblivion logging 100s of hours or more but I've only done Oblivion's main quest once and Morrowind's twice

All of that stuff feels pointless if there is no main story to the game.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:00 am

Yes guys, I tried to skip the main quest, I started a new game... the problem now is that I somewhat "know" that I'm the dragonborn in this game, and anyway, I find dragons in the wild a very fun perspective, I never got to the point where they are boring. I just want a dragon once in a while, to have something more epic to flee from than weird buzzing tree-women, but for this to happen, don't I need to start the main quest ? except with a mod, of course, but I'm talking about Beth's RPG design.

Sorry but it takes nothing to trigger dragons and just ignore the main quest. This is a none issue, its not rocket science, just deselect your dragonborn quests and play the game as a nobody. I have done this for 200 hours, I dont even touch the 10 dragon shouts I have and the 20 odd dragon souls ready to spend.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:22 am

All of that stuff feels pointless for me if there is no main story to the game.

Fixed that for you.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:48 am

Fixed that for you.

I get what you guys are saying. You like to role play your own character but seriously, just walking around and doing random kill this guy or fetch this quest is why you play the game? I understand that this is my opinion but it works both ways. You can't expect everyone that plays this game to play it the same way you do. So the "don't do the main quest" argument is invalid.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:54 am

I've never felt like superman in this game the way I did in both Morrowind and Oblivion. I think that's mostly because I play more to my character and less to the game if that makes sense. Basically the tools are there to make a superman if you want but when I play my character "naturally" I don't end up abusing the game mechanics which leads to being overpowered. As for being Dragonborn, I like it. But out of my 3 characters only 2 of them care about the main quest line. My thief/assassin has better things to do. I did start the line though because I enjoy fighting dragons. In the end it's a very open role playing game. Some people don't like that and want to be led by the hand through the whole game but that has never been what Bethesda strives for. Some of us really like it that way because it gives us more flexibility to role play any way we like. But your complaint is kind of silly to me because the whole intent of the game was to do something different and to have this character with a special ability. I think they did it just right.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 am

i also didn't enjoy being labeled DRAGONBORN, before you even start the game. I liked the feeling of accomplishment in Oblivion when just a regular imperial guy just saved the world from the depths of oblivion itself. Skyrim just felt so, gimmicky, if thats the word. My opinion tho.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:07 am

"Don't do the main quest" -.- what else is there to do?

If you have to ask, this game is probably not for you.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:13 am

I get what you guys are saying. You like to role play your own character but seriously, just walking around and doing random kill this guy or fetch this quest is why you play the game? I understand that this is my opinion but it works both ways. You can't expect everyone that plays this game to play it the same way you do. So the "don't do the main quest" argument is invalid.

Sorry, but the Main Quest is a bit anti-climactic after some of the other quests. It feels much shorter and less rewarding than some of the other questlines. It is perfectly viable to skip the main quest, (or if you want dragons in your game,

Spoiler

get the dragon stone, kill the dragon for the Jarl of Whiterun and then do not visit the Greybeards).

I've had much more fun progressing my thief/assassin through those quests than I did progressing through the Main Quest.

It is understandable that everyone cannot find their way to enjoyment without riding the rails of the main quest, but it is more than possible and extremely valid.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:45 am

After all of the times being the courier of or seen in the visions of some other dragonborn, it's high time that you actually be a dragonborn for once.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:09 am

Sorry, but the Main Quest is a bit anti-climactic after some of the other quests.

Yeah, thats the problem...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:31 am

If you have to ask, this game is probably not for you.

Oh really? When did Tod Howard ever say we were supposed to ignore the main quest entirely and just do our own thing?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:10 pm

Spoiler

In the end, I thought the main quest was the best of the bunch. It at least had some length and more scenery, and more characters (both bad and good) making appearances. Some of the side quests aren't that great to me. The Companions especially. And the Civil War. People often complain about Winterhold, but I think it's pretty good, although it's too short.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:53 am

Oh really? When did Tod Howard ever say we were supposed to ignore the main quest entirely and just do our own thing?

So now todd howard determines how Skyrim is to be played? The comment you quoted was quite apt.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:31 pm

Spoiler

In the end, I thought the main quest was the best of the bunch. It at least had some length and more scenery, and more characters (both bad and good) making appearances. Some of the side quests aren't that great to me. The Companions especially. And the Civil War. People often complain about Winterhold, but I think it's pretty good, although it's too short.

Well,

Spoiler

I was much more impressed with Hail Sithis, than Dragonslayer. I had more fun Restoring the Thieves Guild than playing Stepin' Fetch'it for The Blades/Greybeards. I thought the Civil war was pretty well done as well,

to each his own. :foodndrink:

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:07 am

So now todd howard determines how Skyrim is to be played? The comment you quoted was quite apt.

Me said maybe it's not the kind of game I should be playing if I see not playing the MQ as nonsense. Who would know better than the creator?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:46 am

Is the role of being a hero too challenging for you?

Is it too demanding for you to put the "shoe" on?

Is it easier to play some dirty, dumb or unknown citizen from wherever? And again??

Maybe the best solution was to have not one but several roles to pick from at start. The moment you offer choices however will you also start limiting people and they will want more diverse roles as choice. I think it is best the way it is and that one gets to play as someone else and not always enters the TES games as the unwanted dumbdumb. I think the choice was great and I am looking forward to the next TES games already. Maybe we will get to play a new adventurer as a priest and thereafter we have to be a king in another time, and so on.

Most if not all games put you into a fixed role at start and nobody cares where one comes from, but where one goes to...

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:55 pm

Don't answer the greybeards call and you won't officially be the dragonborn. Also if you never go to dragonsreach then dragons never appear and you never shout so no superman saving the world from flying monsters, only a man with potential and a open world to explore

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:09 am

Me said maybe it's not the kind of game I should be playing if I see not playing the MQ as nonsense. Who would know better than the creator?

It's a TES game, just because the main quest is there it doesn't mean you have to do it. For my part my last playthroughs of Oblivion I didn't do the main quest at all, simply because I hated those oblivion gates. The main quest has never been a huge and vital part of any TES game, they have been there to provide a story nothing more. The only reason why it is called the main quest is because it happens to be about what the game is designed around. In Oblivion it was gates to Oblivion, in Skyrim it is about dragons and how the only person that can defeat Alduin also is a dragonborn.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:03 am

I get what you guys are saying. You like to role play your own character but seriously, just walking around and doing random kill this guy or fetch this quest is why you play the game? I understand that this is my opinion but it works both ways. You can't expect everyone that plays this game to play it the same way you do. So the "don't do the main quest" argument is invalid.

The OP specifically said he didn't want to be the Dragonborn. So that's why people were saying to not do the main quest. If you don't want to be the Dragonborn, but still want to do the main quest... then you might have a problem.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:31 pm

Oh yeah I know about all the side quests. It just doesn't make sense to me that someone would focus on that part of the game. They are side quests afterall which have little impact on the world.

How did I miss this post before...

Spoiler

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Hail_Sithis%21 would like a word with you.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:08 am

Me said maybe it's not the kind of game I should be playing if I see not playing the MQ as nonsense. Who would know better than the creator?

Oh, I missed this.

Todd Howard has repeatedly said (for every Elder Scrolls game), that you can play however you like. Do the main quest. Don't do the main quest. The game is built to let you do whatever you want (this is not an invitation for "Bring back spellcrafting!" gremlins to attack the thread).

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:36 am

I finally put my finger on what bugs me in this game.
After 30 minutes of being a [censored] looser, captured by the imperials and sentenced to a death that nobody will care about since I'm just an anonymous looser in this harsh world... I suddenly become superman (dragonborn), and I have to save the world.

What I loved in morrowind/oblivion (didn't play earlier elder scrolls) is that I saved the world, of course, but I felt I chose to be that hero who would go on and kill things but in the end I was just like any other guy in the world, just better and motivated.

In skyrim, whatever race I choose, whatever the persona of my toon, I AM THE [censored]IN DRAGONBORN.
In oblivion, I was not, say, the son of the emperor... I was a prisoner, who got lucky, escaped, decided to give a [censored] about the apocalypse and was slighty better at swordfighting/magic/whatever than the average, got even better, then managed to save the world. But I feel like I earned it, I was part of a big thing, but not a semigod [censored] like the dragonborn is.

This is what I don't like about this approach of bethesda, I want my common-manliness back... I want to be a brave soldier (whatever your style) of skyrim, a true hero, not just a lucky guy with special blood and super powers.

I loved the previous sandbox games of bethesda, but here I feel more like my character is superman/batman, only with dragons and arrows to the knees. I want my [censored] looser of a prisoner back !

In Oblivion you knew you were someone special after your conversation with the Emperor in the tutorial. In Skyrim you have to complete 3 quests before being sent on the 1 where you'll discover you may be Dragonborn. Plenty of opportunity to decide not to follow the MQ. This was handled much better than Oblivion although like Oblivion once things get going there is a constant urgency about moving on to the next thing which means unlike MW it feels wrong to take a pause part way through the MQ.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:37 pm

My XBox Skyrim package states "As Dragonborn, the prophesied hero born with the power of The Voice, you are the only one who can stand amongst them".

I assume the PC and Playstation versions provide the same information.

Guess if you didn't want to be "Drragonborn", you should have bought a different game ... though as others have pointed out the "Dragonborn" aspect can be avoided entirely by ignoring the MQ.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:52 pm

I like when Cosades says go in the world, join some guilds, learn things, get better. In other words take your time to explore the world, the lore and the politics, don't rush into the action like an action game. I loved that.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:29 am

Erh, well, you could just do the main quest until after you've defeated your first dragon, and not listen to a bunch of strange asocial men yelling at you from the top of their mountain? My first character was hesitating too, who would listen to such creepiness anyway. I actually took quite a long time before I finally visited them, I was level 20 or so.

This^ Just don't go see the Greybeards. Just imagine your character doesn't want to be bothered with it. That way you still get to fight dragons.