Dragon age Vs Skyrim? : Othor Games

» Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:39 pm

This thread seems to be about Dragon Age Origins vs Dragon Age 2, so I'll just say this:

DA2 was praised by critics and bashed by the players. So I started playing it with not so high expectations. And even though there's stuff that's bad (exploding enemies, re-used dungeons) I really liked the improvements made from DA:O. Now the Rogue and Warrior have as many abilities to choose from as the Mage. The combat felt much more alive and less rigid. The player voice made my hero feel much more real, and the companion characters kicked DA:O's party members' butts!

It's still the best game I have played this year (and I really liked Origins).

i take it you enjoyed taking varric and isabela for banter

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:48 pm

while the gameplay in DA2 is superior to origins, they have re-used a lot of the environments making exploration feel dull and repetitive.
and while there were a lot of choices they were only on the personal level (molding the character of hawke) instead of choosing the fate of nations like in origins.
not a bad game (i enjoyed it) but not what the fans were expecting.

yep good summary though i loved both

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:59 am

i take it you enjoyed taking varric and isabela for banter

Don't mention that witch, in my presence, ever. :verymad:
Merrill is ok though. :liplick:

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:48 pm

lol he wiped out everything

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:15 am

This thread seems to be about Dragon Age Origins vs Dragon Age 2, so I'll just say this:

DA2 was praised by critics and bashed by the players. So I started playing it with not so high expectations. And even though there's stuff that's bad (exploding enemies, re-used dungeons) I really liked the improvements made from DA:O. Now the Rogue and Warrior have as many abilities to choose from as the Mage. The combat felt much more alive and less rigid. The player voice made my hero feel much more real, and the companion characters kicked DA:O's party members' butts!

It's still the best game I have played this year (and I really liked Origins).

i really wanted morrigan back :sadvaultboy:

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:28 pm

ZOMG I never new there was new DLC for DA2 out now. I have to admit though Dragon Age games will be nothing on Skyrim. I love Dragon Age but its really just a WoW knockoff. Dragon Age 2 had better graphics, but its still a WoW knockoff. I loved the character creation aspect of DA2, it was superior to that of Oblivion. Perhaps now with Skyrim the character creation will be better than its predecessor? Who knows but it looks very promising if the screenshots are anything to go by. What bugged me the most was the limited number of armors you can get in DA2 and DA1. Its really like a renamed set of the same armor model over and over with only a small pool of variety. It was disappointing. Todd said there are one-piece sets in Skyrim to make more armor variety possible, I am holding him to that indirect promise of diversity. So far, the armor looks really good from the concept art for Skyrim.

My Verdict?

Dragon Age 1

Its strength is its diverse racial story-lines. Its weakness is its graphics and that its really just using WoW as a template.

Dragon Age 2

Its strength is its superior character creation. Its weakness is its lack of 1st person perspective and its fetch-and-deliver quests.

Morrowind

Its strength was its innovative quests and originality. Its weakness was perhaps its barren landscapes which made it sometimes boring to look at.

Oblivion

Its strength is its open-ended exploration of a fantasy world. Its weakness would be its character design (why do Morrowind NPCs look better?).

Skyrim

What Skyrim's strengths will be in comparison to the others will not really be known for sure until its released. But it looks promising.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:33 am

ZOMG I never new there was new DLC for DA2 out now. I have to admit though Dragon Age games will be nothing on Skyrim. I love Dragon Age but its really just a WoW knockoff. Dragon Age 2 had better graphics, but its still a WoW knockoff. I loved the character creation aspect of DA2, it was superior to that of Oblivion. Perhaps now with Skyrim the character creation will be better than its predecessor? Who knows but it looks very promising if the screenshots are anything to go by. What bugged me the most was the limited number of armors you can get in DA2 and DA1. Its really like a renamed set of the same armor model over and over with only a small pool of variety. It was disappointing. Todd said there are one-piece sets in Skyrim to make more armor variety possible, I am holding him to that indirect promise of diversity. So far, the armor looks really good from the concept art for Skyrim.

Wait, how is it a WoW knockoff? I don't see the connection.

» Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:32 pm

DA2 was in my opinion the perfect definition of "streamlining". They stripped out most of the things that made Origins a great game to increase its 'mass market' appeal.

DA2 was a decent game, but it sold half of its copies only because it shared the dragon age name. This is my fear with Skyrim as well. Oblivion had that same stripped down feel for me and I am hoping they learned their lesson and Skyrim will be better.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:38 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SV97ozaD4vs

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 4:49 am

Wait, how is it a WoW knockoff? I don't see the connection.

Dragon Age Origins? Its money system. Loot system. Class system. Combat interfaces systems. Etcetera... Its style of level design even. All these things were based on if not copied from WoW. I played the game to death and its blatantly obvious. I was delighted with DA2 graphics but the game felt so empty. Morrowind felt like it had tens times the substance of DA2 (DA2 was really just a money grab if you ask me, I see no evidence of serious passion and artistic ingenuity in its game design).

Skyrim has this in abundance - artistic ingenuity and passion. You can see it screaming at you from screenshots alone not to mention the demo footage. If I had to save a game from the world, just one game, it would be Skyrim. The rest Id commit to remembrance.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:43 am

I don't see why people keep saying Dragon Age: Origins is good, when it's clearly wasn't all that great. I mean, half of the game was just content that they cut out before release and tried to sell to you through A BLOODY IN-GAME NPC. I mean, c'mon Bioware, you're better than this.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:23 am

Really didn't like DA2. I loved origins, one of my favourite games of the current generation. But really the second was just so boring. The story didn't have the epic feel of Origins. I didn't like the party as much personally. And I hate the dialogue wheel. Why make it obvious which is the good option and which is the evil option? It just means that you start out being like "right I want this character to be good" and then that's it. I really wanted to like DA2, I just didn't have fun with it

» Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:50 pm

I don't see why people keep saying Dragon Age: Origins is good, when it's clearly wasn't all that great. I mean, half of the game was just content that they cut out before release and tried to sell to you through A BLOODY IN-GAME NPC. I mean, c'mon Bioware, you're better than this.

that half of the game you're talking about was just a sliver of content, beatable in an hour or less.
i didn't like how they handled the warden's keep dlc either but let's not grow things out of proportion by saying it was half of the game.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:36 am

Hacking and defacing the DA wiki was stupid. Whoever did this needs to grow up. This is another classic example on how childish and idiotic the gaming communities can be while on the internet.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 3:41 am

that half of the game you're talking about was just a sliver of content, beatable in an hour or less.
i didn't like how they handled the warden's keep dlc either but let's not grows things out of proportion by saying it was half of the game.

Warden's keep was the first sign of the cancer which is EA. 5 bucks for 1 hour of gameplay. :cryvaultboy:

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 6:39 am

I don't see why people keep saying Dragon Age: Origins is good, when it's clearly wasn't all that great. I mean, half of the game was just content that they cut out before release and tried to sell to you through A BLOODY IN-GAME NPC. I mean, c'mon Bioware, you're better than this.

Gone are the days of story-lines like that of Neverwinter Nights 2 Mask of the Betrayer. Mass Effect 2 was good though. Bioware are giving a good experience but they arent going into depth and detail so the games coming out from it tend to feel empty and like... games. Skyrim is demonstrating a depth of detail that might just push it past the others and give us an experience worth the 200 AUD some of us are paying.
And in-game advertising is so not cool. I agree with you there. What I like about Bethesda's Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim is that they feel like they are selling you a role play experience to delight in. Bioware feels like its trying to sell you a big shiny apple but when you bite it, you discover that its sweet but hollow. Why?

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:19 am

Gone are the days of story-lines like that of Neverwinter Nights 2 Mask of the Betrayer. Mass Effect 2 was good though. Bioware are giving a good experience but they arent going into depth and detail so the games coming out from it tend to feel empty and like... games. Skyrim is demonstrating a depth of detail that might just push it past the others and give us an experience worth the 200 AUD some of us are paying.
And in-game advertising is so not cool. I agree with you there. What I like about Bethesda's Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim is that they feel like they are selling you a role play experience to delight in. Bioware feels like its trying to sell you a big shiny apple but when you bite it, you discover that its sweet but hollow. Why?

the orrery in oblivion was kind like an advertisemant as well, going into the mages guild and finding a locked door, i spent a whole lot of time trying to open it, after lots of hours i used the console to pry it open only to reveal an empty room, then i learned i had to pay for a dlc for the room.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:15 am

This isn't even a contest, Skyrim destroys Dragon Age but there was no need to do this. It's only going to incite their fan base even more. Whoever did this is a moron.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:43 am

Hacking and defacing the DA wiki was stupid. Whoever did this needs to grow up. This is another classic example on how childish and idiotic the gaming communities can be while on the internet.

It wasn't really hacking but it was a pretty childish thing to do and I agree with you. Alot of people use the wiki as a reference and messing with it isn't cool. It'd be the equivalent of going online to find info about a neat weapon in Skyrim only to find that some jerk had erased the page and simply put "Dragon Age Wins!".

Besides that the games aren't even in competition, Dragon Age came out quite a while back and Skyrim has yet to release.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:29 am

I have to agree with several other here.

Dragon Age: Origins is an EPIC game and incredible story. I love it and I still play it. Dragon Age 2 is not the same game and is terrible. It killed the franchise.

Skyrim is different on so many levels. DA:O is much more story based and very restrictive on where you go, what you can pick up, who you talk to, etc. Skyrim (assuming it's like the other TES games) will let you basically do anything, but at the cost of not having an epic story.

And to whoever is hacking the DA wiki, that is really sad. Seems these forums are getting hacked all the time also. I wish these hacker would use their time and skills more constructively.

» Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:15 pm

This isn't even a contest, Skyrim destroys Dragon Age but there was no need to do this. It's only going to incite their fan base even more. Whoever did this is a moron.

Mind your tongue - no need to cuss. I am a fan of the Dragon Age series and of the Elder Scrolls series and many other games and game series. I am not incited. I actually agree with many of the sentiments which have been constructive. What is being said I think is that games have their strengths and weaknesses. Some are caused by the intention to corner a market and not stay true to a working formula - with varying degrees of success and failure I might add. But that said, we all can agree we expect a lot of Skyrim and all indications show that it exceeds the Dragon Age series on all fronts except perhaps the Dragon Age Origins game in terms of racial story-lines but that is yet to be seen until we actually play Skyrim.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:28 am

This is the Bethesda forum, what do you think the result is gonna be when asking which is better? Its like going on a Square Enix forum and asking which is better Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VII?

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:45 am

lol at that edit. Anyone can edit it though.

Imo, they can't even be compared.

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:42 am

This is the Bethesda forum, what do you think the result is gonna be when asking which is better? Its like going on a Square Enix forum and asking which is better Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VII?

except it's not because they were both made by the same company

» Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:06 am

This is the Bethesda forum, what do you think the result is gonna be when asking which is better? Its like going on a Square Enix forum and asking which is better Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy VII?

They all have merit. But if Bethesda do to Skyrim what Square Enix did to Final Fantasy XIII I will take it back to get a refund. The game footage says otherwise and for that I am glad.