There was Alessia and then Talos. Is Skyrim's canon a god or just a saint? Looking forward to your opinions.

Neither, not yet at least. Maybe after the expansions.

Let just say if we were to discuss the inevitable. Is closer to a god ro just a saint?

I don't know what's inevitable. DLC/expansion could be along the lines of Oblivion where you contend with/against Daedra themselves. It could also be more banol, such as the Morrowind expansions. If we just go with what we know in Skyrim, I'd say your fate is that of a saint ... or at least hero of legend.

Emperor or Empress. I'll make sure to have my Dacha somewhere nice in the countryside.

Saint, if you do only the MQ (minus a few unforgivable actions one must make)

God, If you do everything in skyrim and you charge around not bothered by ANYthing that attacks... creating massive area effect shouts with abilities above that of the best man, mer, beast or creature that exist in skyrim currently

but a sure-fire definition will be made only when skyrim is finished and all expansions have been added. ending this chapter of elder scrolls

Demi-goddess. At least that would be my preference (not that my pref matters of course!) But saint.... is just too.... "religious". And a full-fledged goddess is WAY too extreme.

And I have ZERO interest in becoming the Empress, thanks.

Neither. Just a very gfited mortal. At least, in vanilla Skyrim.

So we get a mention in the TES VI lore as some raceless and sixless Dovakiin, who is believed to have saved the world from complete destruction?

Edit: Also with a tag from Nordic Background, or somewhere in Skyrim. Everyone is going to think Dovakiin is a Nord.

Nobody living except the Player saw Alduin's second death. The people of Skyrim just see that he's not around now and they do some assuming, it seems to me

Based on that and the fact that the Player is not the first, last, or even the only Dovakhiin around at the time in which Skyrim is depicted, then the Player, as Dovakhiin, is just...Dovakhiin

If I had to choose, I'd rather be a saint. I don't want to be a god. Aren't there enough of these? There's only one saint, afaik.

edit: Come to think of it, it's kind of a shame that Talos is more important than than Alessia. She sounds cooler. A slave rebel turned benevolent Empress? Yeah...

The Dunmer have many saints. Presumably other races have saints of their own, but we hardly ever hear about many gods, less saints. (Heard from Ebonarm lately?)

Dovahkiin isn't even a canon, much less a saint, or even a bishop, since the temples are not joinable factions. And canons are usually pledged to poverty anyway.

At the end of the main quest, Our character(s) have access to two elderscrolls. If your character has the Ancient Knowledge bonus, and an inscribed Dwemer Lexicon then they have a very good chance of achieving CHIM without having to mantle any Aedric or Daedric beings.
Will a writer at Bethesda allow it to be Canon is the real question.

It's possible that dovahkiin will take up the role of Talos. A lot of the framework for it is in place.

You're not a god, just the latest recurrance of a thing that keeps happening. Others, in your place, have risen to become saints and gods - but it's not a given. Certainly you have a head start to being one-half of the next Enantiomorph. Wanna bump off and betray your best buddy? That's the next step!

Bradleyh, the Elder Scrolls haven't worked that way for anyone who's ever had them, as far as I know. As for the Dwemer, it's more than likely the Lexicon is a compendium of practical knowledge and on a different subject entirely. It's probably no more esoteric than an owner's manual.

The real question is: since whosits is dead now, what's to stop the Dragonborn from being recognized as the logical next Emperor? And the answer seems to be: a total lack of logic from everyone, especially Delphine and Ulfric, who would logically see that if you were Emperor you could legitimize his rule as High King of Skyrim.

But being a god doesn't need aknowledgement nor the need to prove yourself. Most Aedras willed themselves in to existence after Akatosh. If it is possible that Talos can achieve the status of divinity as a mortal, why not the Dragonborn?

I'd go for being a re-embodiment of Talos. That would be fine.... as long as it wasn't any more "godlike" THAN Talos.... In fact.... if it came with "dis-benefits" like the Thalmor hunting you down, that would be perfect.

[Speaking of which.... on this current Khajiit who has nothing at all with the MQ by using an altstart batch file, the Thalmor are hunting her seriously - and it started BEFORE she ever killed any of them. VERY interesting....]

From what I've seen, the dovakiin is an aspect of Akatosh, similiar to Alduin, which makes the dragonborn a demigod I suppose.

Perhaps.... Akatosh has little presence in this game, unlike the previous ones. I've found a couple of shrines in very out-of-the-way places, but there's never any convos that mention him....

I walked into Arena knowing NOTHING of TES. And somehow immediately decided Akatosh was "my" diety. I haven't changed from that through the rest of the games....

I thought he/she was just blessed by Akatosh (as other dragonborn are).

But yeah, Akatosh is rarely brought up, oddly. It's all Talos this and that. Or, the Greybeards trying to turn me into a convert of Kyne.

edit: actually, that's not exactly true. i don't know what they believe. it's odd that she's a warrior goddess and they're all trying to be buddha or something.

None of the eight divines have a presence really. Akatosh however, rather has a huge presence in the game if you think about it. He is the father of all dragons and Alduin has the title of being his first born. The Dovakiin was given the blood of dragons, which is a gift from Akatosh.

Kynareth can take a hike.... Well, so can they all - excepting Akatosh.


That - wasn't - really what I meant by "presence". In the previous games, EVERYONE talks about the dieties. The Temples are manifest, as are the blessings. That doesn't happen in this game, and the change has left me.... uneasy....

Oh! Well, everyone seems pretty concerned about the civil war and dragons wrecking the place all the time. I guess that's taking precedence over religious worship.

But Heimskr, oh Heimskr...

depends on who is defining "god"

is it a measure of power?

like if talos was shown to be as powerful as the other aedra?

or is it something internal to the aedra, like only they decide who is god.

I tend to think he is a god.

What leaves me uneasy is how I almost feel urged to be a bit Nord focused in this game (mostly just because of the setting), EXCEPT.. I wonder if making too many Nord centric choices is following more the spirit of Wulfarth than it is Talos or Alessia. Wulfarth was the big "RAWR Skyrim is for the Nords!!!11" figure in his day, and ousted the Alessian pantheon, not to mention butted heads with Talos.. As a mortal, he reinstated the Nord pantheon and had an urge to kill as many elves as possible. It's just uncool. It's not what TES has been about for.. umm.. 20 years or so. How is being a "true Nord" suddenly a good choice?

edit: this is totally unrelated to the thread btw. sorry