"Self entitlement?"

If we pay the same price, we should be getting it at the same time. That's not entitlement, and it's a slap in the face for Beth to have signed this kind of agreement.
Good thing we have people like you to defend greedy business tactics.

Yes, Every day that goes by without a PS3 dlc the bad will grows. If it was fixed or nearly fixed they would say it. I expect an announcment soon saying how sorry they are.

Time to be frank: So what if it's exclusive? As much as some of you will disagree, these games are selling best on the 360, and that's revenue for both Microsoft and Bethesda. It's a partnership that's borne both of necessity and to expand sales in both markets (while it'll be difficult to determine if this will sell consoles, the option is still plausible).

Do I think it's right? No, but my opinion doesn't matter. Neither does yours. The bottom line is money, and he who has it, gets heard.

Bethesda may have a deal that's not exclusive to cash. Maybe they get to push as many patches as they want, and considering the (alleged) cost is $40k per patch, that's quite a bit of money saved in addition to any potential revenue made.

For Microsoft, you should know by now they don't give a damn about gamers, just their money. If our voice really mattered, our console wouldn't be a dashboard of crap pushing ads or the latest political news in our faces.

This is gaming today. If you really want to voice your opinions, do not buy the DLC.

Because the other flip side to those with the money: those who control it always have a bigger say.

But the ultimate truth is, exclusive or not, you will buy this DLC, and you'll excuse the decision because you'll tell yourself "Meh, it's just 30 days. 30 days to which I can get spoiled because I'm a PC gamer, and it'll be worse if I'm on the PS3."

Your money. Your choice.

I am sure they will release it before x-mas, maybe around the date where "The Hobbit" starts in theatres. This movie will further spark the hype for more fantasy themed rpg gaming.

If you want to make money, pissing off your fanbase isn't a good place to start. Which is the whole point of this thread and many like it - a point that you've missed. Bethesda realises they are losing money (As if the outcry from PS3 users wasn't evidence enough), but doesn't seem to care.

Consumer loyalty is integral to the survival of any business. Many have outright sworn that they will never buy a Beth game again, what you have listed, ways to combat this 'problem', have already been done. PS3 users in particular have done this, going all the way back to the delayed releases of DLC for the FO3/NV games.

I may be wrong, but I just can't see it being an exclusive.

The fact that the 1.8 patch was released as a beta then properly to the PC containing all the engine changes needed for this DLC. The fact it's the third DLC which should mean it's not subject to exclusivity, and that neither the blog post, video or description make any reference at all to the word "exclusive", or show the Xbox Live logo.

I just... I really don't know what to do if this DLC is delayed for the PS3, again. I'm getting annoyed by the mistreatment by bethesda. I love your games, I spend my hard earned money on them, and I just get screwed simply because I choose to play on a console not endorsed by Todd Howard. Fantastic I appreciate being treated like a 2nd class citizen compared to Xbox users. And I feel your pain PC, but at least you've had the DLC released to this point. Not saying your being treated right either, but at least its better than PS3.

I've given bethesda the benefit of the doubt on most occasions, but I'm tired of having their back when they obviously don't support the PS3 community.

Didn't take very long for the corporate apologists to rush in and remind us that we're whiny, self-entitled and wrong and the bean counters are right.

Wasn't there something about the PS3 dlcs in the latest update? Perhaps PS3 are getting a surprise dlc bundle for Christmas or something. Regardless, the way these corporations behave is disgraceful.

It is not about when we get it, it is about communication. Rule #1 in business.

I will never buy another Bethesda game because of this.

Of course, it's definitely not going to be exclusive forever, as you said; 1.8 had code relating to the DLC. That's not what anyone is saying here. TIMED exclusivity is what we meant. The fact that the Xbox logo is absent is something I brought up in my original post. Once again, the lack of communication and bad wording on Bethesda's part is the problem. It is the pivotal mistake they are making - one that is causing a lot of confusion and anger. The trailer's description and the official blog imply timed exclusivity. They do not acknowledge the other platforms - that's a problem too. Even after Fallout 3 and NV's exclusivity periods ended, the Xbox still received the DLC first.

I was referring to a timed exclusive, but yeah, pretty much.

A surprise bundle is extremely unlikely. Bethesda hasn't commented on the PS3 situation for months.

Sometimes it's hard to admit abject failure.

That's why it would be a surprise.

I know... but I'm saying that such a thing is not likely to happen.



Damn right...

my thoughts exactly.

Fair enough then, I thought you meant it would be exclusive forever

Sony missed out on all the excitement so far, they get all three DLC's I am sure they will waste no time drumming up sales. Even if they only get Dragonborn, they will do something for their fans, Skyrim sells too well not to put some effort into DLC.

Quick thought: Shouldn't MS be pissed at Bethesda given the way the exclusivity worked out? They likely paid millions for DLC that the PS3 would have had to wait for (or just plain won't get) anyway.

Why would Microsoft pay for ANOTHER exclusive DLC when they'll inevitably get that 1 month console exclusive period because of PS3 development issues? Does MS want to deprive PC players that badly?

IF bethesda really wants to do this time-exclusive thing for xbox again, i will start to get seriously annoyed. if their main focus is on one platform - fine, but just be honest about it. there are lots of other nice rpgs on the market for the pc, no need to buy further bethesda games if additional financing from microsoft is all they care for. it is not like that their games are for free so that they really need this - it would be pure creed, nothing else.

Well said. They did the same thing for FO3/NV too.

I think Microsoft is going to buy Bethesda next year.
Look how well that turned out for the Fable series.

Soon we will get The Elder Scrolls: The Journey, only for Xbox 360 and Kinect.
And then they will shut down the forums and say forums are the old days as justification.
Oh yeah and they will say, hey - go to the forums on Xbox dot com, right.

Just like Lionhead Studios did, woho.

If Beth doesn't want my money - I'm more than happy to spend it elsewhere. Of course, can't exactly put in a good word for them in that case, either

I rather doubt it, TBH. There's so much bad blood between PS3 owners and Bethesda now that I'd be shocked if sales of any DLC (if and when it becomes available) are anything better than lackluster. I really think they've come to a fork in the road with regard to the PS3; either they make whatever changes they need to the engine and development tools to ensure that they can produce a stable, playable PS3 port, or they just stop releasing titles for PS3.