Dragonborn Emperor : V

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:22 pm

So to me it seems right that the Dragon-born is the rightfull ruler, because your the last known dragon born and the septim line is dead. Meaning the blades have no one to follow (whats left of them) the current emperor is hated anyway and most Dragonborn toons are more capable of keeping the Empire safe anyway.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:32 pm

Yes by right the Dragonborn should have heir to the throne, But yet in game their is not a single mention of that fact.... I was very disapointed that there was not even a sinlge comment made along the lines of "You are dragonborn!? Then you may have right to the throne!"

*possible spoiler here!*
*Seeing how the Emperor also gets killed in this game made me even more upset that this fact was not mentioned...*

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:32 pm

Nah. By the end of the game you should look at the statistics, and look at what you've done, then think real hard about this: would you want you in charge? I know I wouldn't want my character in charge. My character wouldn't want to be a subject of my character. I think she should just be a footnote in history as a war hero who fought in the Skyrim Civil War, and fade into oblivion. I cannot imagine a more cruel empress -- things would start with her meaning well but would end in a tyranny.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:53 pm

It would be strange to have a race-less, name-less, gender-less, class-less, everything-less Emperor in lore.

And the Dragonborn has no right to the throne, being a Dragonborn doesn't give him any right by itself. The emperors before and after the Septim weren't Dragonborns. Conquering the throne is what gives you the right to the throne, people didn't give the throne to Talos, he conquered it.

(Not to say that Martin Septim probably isn't even directly related to Talos)

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:46 pm

The dragonborn has the right and raw power to make that happen. The only thing is that once crowned, his adventuring days are as over as though he took an arrow in the knee.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:29 pm

I don't know how they would work around that in the next TES game(if there is one)lore wise. I'm not even sure how the whole imperial legion stormcloak thing will work out to be honest. Not to mention guards say things like "Huh! your Dragon born!(or whatever)" Then immediately after say "If I catch your hand in my pocket I'll cut it off", well first of all mate I would like to see you try, secondly hows about a little respect? I did save the world and everything after all. Imagine how they would treat the old bloke who just sits on his [censored] all day long.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 pm

That may have been the custom before the Oblivion Crisis but remember, Martin sacrificed himself as the request to Akatosh to seal the Gates to Oblivion forever.

So the need for a Dragonborn to keep alight the Dragonfires that guarded against Oblivion isnt there anymore.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:59 pm

To be Emperor you would have to be related to the current bloodline rather than just being Dragonborn, which is only a divine blessing rather than a right to rule an empire.

» Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:05 am

I think an opporitunity should arise to seize the throne. Whether you take it by wits or by steel, it should eventually be done. Although the drawback being that this would limit your expeditions, because what emporer would be allowed to venture into a dungeon? I mean Robert Baratheon tried to kill a boar..but that's not Skyrim. You would be forced to have like 30 followers accompany you at all times if the game were realistic. Which is why you should only become a jarl. My opinion is that you should ascend to become a Divine. As you killed Alduin. So..... You're Talos 2.0, essentially

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:43 pm

Nah. By the end of the game you should look at the statistics, and look at what you've done, then think real hard about this: would you want you in charge? I know I wouldn't want my character in charge. My character wouldn't want to be a subject of my character. I think she should just be a footnote in history as a war hero who fought in the Skyrim Civil War, and fade into oblivion. I cannot imagine a more cruel empress -- things would start with her meaning well but would end in a tyranny.

Oh come on, I mean, my first character killed maybe 40 innocents, but my second only killed like, three. He wouldn't be that bad

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:56 am

TES should just make "cannon" player characters for there games

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:18 pm

Yeah I'd rather be a Divine personally. Ten Divines, doesn't have a ring to it when saying it but 9 isn't enough, well 8 now.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:30 pm

TES should just make "cannon" player characters for there games

No, it shouldn't. (IMO)

All the fun is in the fact that you are contributing to the history of Tamriel. Why would I even play as a Breton if the so-called "Dargonborn" is a Nord?

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:39 am

the septims were not dovakiin, only tiber was, the others are only guess work but i think it is safe to say (considering it is not hereditary, you have to be hand picked by the gods to have a soul that does not match you body, the septims had the blood of dragons not the soul and bethesda would not let our characters go off to do soemthign that would make the world aware of them becase it would need a canon race/class/look/gender/ect) that, at the very least, not every septim was dovakiin and being dovakiin does not give you claim to the throne

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 7:34 pm

This is assuming, that the empire still exists in the next decade or so.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:34 pm

I think the dragonborn should be able to be the new high king of skyrim

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:35 am

Dragonborn a Septim does not make.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:23 am

It would be strange to have a race-less, name-less, gender-less, class-less, everything-less Emperor in lore.

And the Dragonborn has no right to the throne, being a Dragonborn doesn't give him any right by itself. The emperors before and after the Septim weren't Dragonborns. Conquering the throne is what gives you the right to the throne, people didn't give the throne to Talos, he conquered it.

(Not to say that Martin Septim probably isn't even directly related to Talos)

I don't think you are correct.

Alessia's (1st Empire), Reman Cyrodiil's (2nd Empire), and Tiber Septim's (3rd Empire) heirs were all Dragonborn. This is not to say that Dovahkiin is heir to the throne just for being Dragonborn, but I am simply stating the past emperors were. Martin is a direct descendant of Tiber Septim, as his father is Uriel Septim VII and Uriel is a descendant of Tiber Septim, hence his crowning as emperor.

I wouldn't write off the idea of becoming emperor though. I certainly wouldn't mind a canon-Nord emperor, although others would certainly get angry at that decision.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:39 pm

the septims were not dovakiin, only tiber was, the others are only guess work but i think it is safe to say (considering it is not hereditary, you have to be hand picked by the gods to have a soul that does not match you body, the septims had the blood of dragons not the soul and bethesda would not let our characters go off to do soemthign that would make the world aware of them becase it would need a canon race/class/look/gender/ect) that, at the very least, not every septim was dovakiin and being dovakiin does not give you claim to the throne

Yes they are Dovahkiin. The fact that they can wear the Amulet of Kings is proof of this fact. None of them ever encountered Words of Power or dragons to absorb to comprehend their ability to produce a Thu'um

EDIT: Dovahkiin means Dragonborn, and everyone (and I mean everyone) refers to the Septim line as Dragonborn

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:22 am

I think an opporitunity should arise to seize the throne. Whether you take it by wits or by steel, it should eventually be done. Although the drawback being that this would limit your expeditions, because what emporer would be allowed to venture into a dungeon? I mean Robert Baratheon tried to kill a boar..but that's not Skyrim. You would be forced to have like 30 followers accompany you at all times if the game were realistic. Which is why you should only become a jarl. My opinion is that you should ascend to become a Divine. As you killed Alduin. So..... You're Talos 2.0, essentially

Richard the Lionheart (as well as Talos) rode into battle with his men during the Crusades. What the King (and even moreso, the Emperor) says, goes.

You kill Alduin, a being capable of devouring the world. I'm sure nobody would object.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:26 pm

Yes they are Dovahkiin. The fact that they can wear the Amulet of Kings is proof of this fact. None of them ever encountered Words of Power or dragons to absorb to comprehend their ability to produce a Thu'um

EDIT: Dovahkiin means Dragonborn, and everyone (and I mean everyone) refers to the Septim line as Dragonborn

dragonborn and dovakiin do not mean the same thing, dovakiin is dragon for dragon born but the emporers only got the title of "Dragon Born" because the had the blood of a/the dragon, not the soul

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:05 am

i want this so bad. many more NPC interactions letting you rebuild, give orders, receive important letters and choose an action resolve conflicts etc.. lets us make the choice to take the crown and rule or step down and let ulfric/elisif do it.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:53 pm

The dragonborn has the right and raw power to make that happen. The only thing is that once crowned, his adventuring days are as over as though he took an arrow in the knee.

I used to be an adventurer like you, but then I took a crown to the head.

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:44 pm

dragonborn and dovakiin do not mean the same thing, dovakiin is dragon for dragon born but the emporers only got the title of "Dragon Born" because the had the blood of a/the dragon, not the soul

You are wrong. Dova means dragon Dovakin means dragonborn. As far as we know, all Septims were Dragonborn. The problem arises that Reman and Tiber were not related, yet were both Dragonborn. Allysia (sp) and Reman were also probably not related. Thus an argument can be made that being Dragonborn is not good enough to be a legitimate heir to the throne

» Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:35 am

Dovah-kiin = Dragon-Born

Dragon Born =/= Dragon Blooded

The Septims were Dragon Blooded, or so it was said. That was what allowed them to wear the Amulet of Kings. However none of that matters. All septims are dust. I'm not even sure I heard the new emperor called by name, cept for Coward. Theoritcally the Dragon-Born could probably rouse all of Skyrim and retake the empire, for a fourth time. If he so chose. But Bethesda wouldn't do that. Because that'd break lore, hard.