Dunmer and... the Dominion : V - Skyrim

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:58 am

Judging by how Ri'saad considers...

Spoiler

the khajiit thalmor spy out to kill Malborn to be scum for associating with the Thalmor...

...odds are good that there are more than a few catmen who loathe the Thalmor.

I imagine the Renrijra Krin are causing no end of grief for the Thalmor in Eleswyr. That, or they got wiped after causing too much grief.

Good to know!

I think if it came to it, The Khajiit and Bosmer uniting against the Talmor could cause quite some damage. Might even be a good angle if the game continues toward a more Stormcloak Skyrim.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:30 pm

Since the Red Mountain crisis and Argonian invasion, most Dunmer scattered all across Tamriel to align themselves with whoever they can. They are no longer a unified race and power that they once were. I don't see the Dominion wasting their time trying to bring them under their fold at this point.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:28 pm

The Ebonheart Pact is in the 2nd Era, well over 600 years(most likely much more) before the events of Skyrim.

This should be tagged with [silly mmo] [/silly mmo] or someone might think it's actually TES lore.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:08 am

Good to know!

I think if it came to it, The Khajiit and Bosmer uniting against the Talmor could cause quite some damage. Might even be a good angle if the game continues toward a more Stormcloak Skyrim.

Why a "more Stormcloak" Skyrim? The Empire has no end of animosity towards the Thalmor too... they just choose not to wear it on their sleeve where it can make them easily manipulable.

The Empire probably has more available resources for backing insurgency in Valenwood and Eleswyr too anyway. And would be better at it, on account of the "being better at cloak and dagger" than the Stormcloaks. The Empire has the Penitus Oculatus. The Stormcloaks have...? Subtlety is not typically a Nordic trait.

This should be tagged with [silly mmo] [/silly mmo] or someone might think it's actually TES lore.

Sorry, I thought this was a discussion about Skyrim? :ermm:

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:37 am

They're by no means friends. It would be interesting, as someone has previously stated, if the Orsimer and Dunmer were to join up....as highly unlikely as it would be. xD

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:07 pm

If the Aldmeri Dominion don't recruit the Orcs first. What if they promised them a rebuilt, heavily fortified Orsinium in return for helping them annex Hammerfell ? Orcs would provide a certain brute strength the the AD, considering the races that make up the Dominion are quite lacking in that field.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:46 pm

Due to the green pact, the Bosmer can not harm any living thing for self use. Meaning no wood for huts/fires, no animal/plant for food.

Not true. The Green Pact restricts the Bosmer from harming native Valenwood plant life, but they are allowed to consume non-humanoid meat. They don't rely on cannibalism for subsistence, that would be chaotic! They are cannibals only when someone in the family dies or if they kill an opponent, because to leave the corpse to rot would be wasteful.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:20 pm

If the Aldmeri Dominion don't recruit the Orcs first. What if they promised them a rebuilt, heavily fortified Orsinium in return for helping them annex Hammerfell ? Orcs would provide a certain brute strength the the AD, considering the races that make up the Dominion are quite lacking in that field.

The Dominion would never have us, we're cursed elven. Nor would we join them, we're mostly loners anyways, and letting another nation build our great city for us would be more of an insult.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:52 am

True. I hope to see it rebuilt soon. I'd love to be able to visit Orsinium in a future game.

The AD want to win the war more than anything else, and the Orcs are elven after all. It wouldn't surprise me if they offered them a large patch of Hammerfell for their service, as well as riches etc.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 11:49 am

True. I hope to see it rebuilt soon. I'd love to be able to visit Orsinium in a future game.

The AD want to win the war more than anything else, and the Orcs are elven after all. It wouldn't surprise me if they offered them a large patch of Hammerfell for their service, as well as riches etc.

As would I!

That would never happen, nor do I think any Orsimer would join them. They might try and force us into submission, but I doubt they're stupid enough to try!

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:21 am

I wager the Dominion feels the same about Dunmer as they do Orsimer.
They're corrupted/tainted Elves, & therefore not good enough to be in the Altmeri Dominion.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:48 am

They're good enough to try and use as pawns in the AD's game though, just like the Bosmer. You don't actually think the AD care about the Bosmer do you ? They'll be the slave race for the Altmer elite.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:02 pm

Indeed sera, for we will strike the foulness that killed and burned in our land with the skill of the bow, sword and magic (we are all naturally good all rounders, you will see).

I would like to put one thousand Argonian heads on spikes at the southern border, and then some more.

Indeed.

For what those disgusting lizards don't seem to understand is that we Dunmer are a very patient sort. When wronged, we will sit back and rebuild, but we will also remember. When the time is right, Morrowind will strike back with a fury that even Mehrunes Dagon would be hard-pressed to match!

:obliviongate:

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:50 pm

Indeed.

For what those disgusting lizards don't seem to understand is that we Dunmer are a very patient sort. When wronged, we will sit back and rebuild, but we will also remember. When the time is right, Morrowind will strike back with a fury that even Mehrunes Dagon would be hard-pressed to match!

:obliviongate:

They only invaded to destroy House Telvanni, who were one of the staunchest supporters of slavery. They barely commited any war crimes and left almost immediately after destroying Telvanni.

Hardly wronging the Dunmer, more gaining revenge on House Telvanni.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:16 pm

They only invaded to destroy House Telvanni, who were one of the staunchest supporters of slavery. They barely commited any war crimes and left almost immediately after destroying Telvanni.

Hardly wronging the Dunmer, more gaining revenge on House Telvanni.

Actually, the Lore states that they razed pretty much all of the countryside that was left inhabitable. They didn't just hit House Telvaani, even if that was their goal. They hammered all of mainland Morrowind in the storms of confusion and death from Vivec falling and Red Mountain erupting.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:05 am

They still saved little Brand-Shei (now lives in Riften) though. They didn't kill him or sell him into slavery like his ancestors probably done to the Argonians ancestors.

Still their main reason for the invasion was to destroy House Telvanni, and they did withdraw soon after that was achieved. Remember it would be hard to keep the soldiers disciplined considering the history. I think it's time for the Dunmer and the Argonians to draw a line in the sand, they've both hit each other badly now, time to move forward and drop the hate.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 10:17 am

Actually, the Lore states that they razed pretty much all of the countryside that was left inhabitable. They didn't just hit House Telvaani, even if that was their goal. They hammered all of mainland Morrowind in the storms of confusion and death from Vivec falling and Red Mountain erupting.

Personally I think the Dunmer had it coming. Enslaving argonians for hundreds of years is not a very good idea, especially because of the Hist which seems to have an uncanny ability to predict the future(example: calling back argonians to blackmarsh to prepare for the Oblivion Crisis). The Hist sought revenge and got it. The Dunmer should be thankful it apparently didn't want the complete destruction off their race.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:46 pm

Got to agree with Tdroid really, the Dunmer can hardly compain about atrocities. It is time to bury the hatchet.

There are far more serious concerns to deal with.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 2:40 pm

Got to agree with Tdroid really, the Dunmer can hardly compain about atrocities. It is time to bury the hatchet.

There are far more serious concerns to deal with.

Yeah, like seceding from the Empire.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:42 pm

Got to agree with Tdroid really, the Dunmer can hardly compain about atrocities. It is time to bury the hatchet.

There are far more serious concerns to deal with.

Indeed, the Thalmor and Aldmeri Dominion.

As mentioned several times in this thread the Dunmer and the Dominion really don't go well together. The Dunmer broke away from the Aldmeri a long time ago, when they were still the Chimer, and started to worship Daedra. Then the Tribunal came about the same time as they got cursed to become the Dunmer. And with the Tribunal gone they are back to worshipping Daedra like Azura and Boethia. The Aldmeri Dominion tries to stample out Talos Worship, I don't think they will be more kind to daedra worshippers and especially "traitors".

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 9:53 am

Got to agree with Tdroid really, the Dunmer can hardly compain about atrocities. It is time to bury the hatchet.

That's =is= the plan. Right under the crest, if I'm not mistaken........

There are far more serious concerns to deal with.

True. Particularly if the Dominion had anything to do with the Hist provoking the slaughter in Morrowind. The Dunmer are never going to side with the Altmer, never mind the Thalmor. If what happened was engineered, it is going to get ugly....

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:56 pm

The Dunmer and Altmer despise each other. The Dunmer worship Daedra, love Mundus, and respect Lorkhan. Altmer are the exact opposite of that. Malborn also considered Morrowind the safest place from the Thalmor.

You do realize that not only did ulfric not put them in the grey quarter(That was 160 years ago when they moved in), but that the dunmer of Windhelm are by legal rights their own nation inside skyrim. They don't pay taxes, self govern, and don't owe allegiance to any jarl. He never made them an enemy, they decided to seclude themselves from the nords, because that's the way the dunmer of morrowind always did things. Neither side has ever liked the other one.

And then there is the quest where you can make the Jarl of Windhelm increase a Dunmer shopkeepers' taxes. So yes, they do pay taxes.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:48 am

True. Particularly if the Dominion had anything to do with the Hist provoking the slaughter in Morrowind. The Dunmer are never going to side with the Altmer, never mind the Thalmor. If what happened was engineered, it is going to get ugly....

I'm going to mention this right away: It is highly unlikely the Thalmor had anything to do with the Hists motivation for attacking the Dunmer. The Dunmer managed to antagonize that creature themselves by century after century of using Argonians as slaves and occationally(or often, not sure) raiding Black Marsh for new slaves.

The Thalmor may have added to the flames, but even if they did I have a feeling it wouldn't have happened any other way if they didn't.

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 8:07 pm

i just wouldn′t be surprised if if next book or game in the future the dunmer are alone but i think they will be okay for themselves and will resolve that . in my thoughts it would be cool to see orcs and dunmer together they are both prettymuch alone!

» Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:13 pm

i just wouldn′t be surprised if if next book or game in the future the dunmer are alone but i think they will be okay for themselves and will resolve that . in my thoughts it would be cool to see orcs and dunmer together they are both prettymuch alone!

It could be possible. The thing about the Dunmer in the 4th Era is that they no longer have the living gods(the Tribunal) to protect them from the outsideworld. Because they in the past have had the Tribunal as their overlords(more or less, the Tribunal Temple had a lot of influence in their culture) they didn't need to make friends. The result is that they are now in a weak position and have next to no allies or even people who like them.
It is almost a miracle for the Dunmer that the Nords were generous enough to take them in at all and give them Solstheim.