Dunmer Aren't British.

Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:18 pm

The mainlanders are part of an expansion to Morrowind, and I'm sure the developers didn't take the time to create new voiced dialogue for the citizens. Hence the retained raspy voice. Whether they actually have the raspy voice outside of the limited game environment is unknown.

Just like the Nord brothers who arrive from Skyrim to join the Knights of the Nine don't look like they are from Skyrim, since their armor and weapons are all from the core Oblivion game files.

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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:44 pm

The mainlanders are part of an expansion to Morrowind, and I'm sure the developers didn't take the time to create new voiced dialogue for the citizens. Hence the retained raspy voice. Whether they actually have the raspy voice outside of the limited game environment is unknown.
They did create new voice dialogue in Tribunal. It was still Raspy. "City of light, city of magic."

And, as has already been mentioned, the female Dunmer never had the raspy voice of their male counterparts. The idea then, that the rasp was a product solely of the ash storms, would seem unfounded. It was a stylistic choice, not a logically reasoned one. It was a choice that a lot of people liked. It's dishonest when they employ that voice in a pre-release demo video, as if it was something they were actually implementing. It's blatantly misleading, feels like lip service to Morrowind fans, but without any follow through.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:23 pm

ARGH!!! seen so many mistakes in this thread


1: Dumner voices were not altered by ash. Evidence

- All the other races would have had raspy voices in morrowind.
- Non vardenfell dumner in tribunal/bloodmoon had raspy voices, If we went deeper, this would also mean that only ashlanders would have this voice
- According to lore- Dumner have Grey skin and red eyes because they were cursed. It's extremely likely that the raspy voice came with this curse too.

I want the raspy voice back... Get the original actor back or someone who can achieve the same effect... any secondary dumner voice should also be raspy.

2: on real world accents

-someone said that Australians had different accents. This is false. Australians sound the same from Perth to Melbourn. Intensity varies from individual to individual and old age can make australian women sound like parrots- but it's still much the same
- American accent's aren't "neutral" or at least more "neutral" than other accents made for English. Putting them in game en mass is a stupid idea.

3: other accent problems i have
- English accents are being used for theives/thalmor/badguys/easy to kill legionares. This shallow stereotyping is stupid.
- I miss morrowind's vampire voice- That scared the crap out of me.
- it would be good to give a japanese tinge to altmer/orsimer accents.
- I am not a fan of these huge budget voice actors. it's cheaper to find new talent.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:22 pm

To be honest it can be, depends on the game setting. Their are lots of accents that aren't suitable for Skyrim e.g. Mexican, Australian, Jamaican, Barbadian etc etc

Woohoo! A Bajan reference, now that's a rarity (Bajan is how people from/descended from Barbados say Barbadian - it's what Injun is to Indian only without the connotations...and I'm Bajan/English hence the woohoo). Actually, I think any West Indian accent would work fine as long as it wasn't a patronising caricaturisation. I'm not familiar with North African accents, but if the Redguards aren't going to have any kind of African (or even Middle Eastern due to their culture) accent then I'd take West Indian over a typically black American accent. Actually, I was happy to hear the Redguard in the DB because all of Skyrim's other Redguards sounded too posh and stuck up with their Fraiser-essque upper class American accents. I wish there were more African and West Indian accents in games because there really are some beautiful and melodic accents, all 'exotic' enough to our European/American ears to keep us awash in fantasy goodness.

It's actually very interesting that the dislike of American accents within the fantasy genre seems quite widespread and is not limited to those from the United States. It'd be easy to suggest that Americans simply don't want to hear accents they're most familiar with because that breaks the other worldly immersion, but every fellow English person I've spoken to it about hates hearing American accents in fantasy. Granted, we hear American accents every day due to entertainment but then we hear English accents too and yet we're happy with them. I will say that it's common for us to have some degree of distaste towards American accents (we're related in a historical sense, so don't take it too harshly - you're our annoying cousins), but could it really be that everyone just can't stand hearing Americans?

Um....na, couldn't be that. Actually, honestly, that's probably it for me - BUT it's not truly American accents that grate on me, it's a type of American accent. When I began playing online games with voice chat, I was amazed to find that I only heard one or two annoying voices/accents out of the scores and scores of Americans I spoke to. I don't know what region or 'class' it belongs to, but there's a 'mainstream' American accent that I hear the most in entertainment (and also any time I happen upon an American tourist in London) and that's the accent that bugs me. I love East Coast accents (deliberately annoying Jersey Shore types aside) and have no issues with Southern accents or many of the accents I hear in people I speak to online. It's that 'whiny' accent that I'm willing to bet all non-Americans will be able to identify. Having said that, a thick New York accent would be tied too strongly to New York for me, likewise with a South Carolinian accent.

Back to the drawing board. I just don't know what it is. TES does pretty well generally as the American accents always sound modified enough to avoid feeling too out of place, the children are a notable exception (I KNOW WHERE YOU WORK AND I DON'T CARE HOW FUN/HARD IT IS!!). Don't worry though, Australian accents sound just as out of place to me although New Zealand accents wouldn't. Kiwi accents have an interesting mixture that somehow works just fine within a fantasy setting for me.

And somebody mentioned Spanish - come on...the Khajiit is clearly derived from a Spanish accent, and Lord Clavicus do I ever love it. Seriously, the man from Del Monte has nothing on my boy J'Zargo. Yeah, I have a thing for a cat person, what of it?
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:21 pm

Sounds much more like Australian to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIVjs2pjVyI
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:24 am

Not these ones. They live in the ashlands in yurts (Turkic tents), have shamans, are into dead people (why Dunmer weren't given the conjuration bonus and the Bretons the destruction bonus I was really surprised to see), are known as assassins and many worship the god of such activities.....

hardly the same. In fantasy type worlds there has often been light elves and dark elves. Altmer & Bosmer are the TES light elves and Dunmer and Orsmer are the TES dark elves. Only the dark elves aren't evil like in many other games.

Elves originate from Germanic mythology and were similar to the angels and fallen angels of Hebrew mythology. Their appearance was like mankind. They live in a realm between Earth and Heaven and they caused good or bad on the planet. Light elves caused good and dark elves cause bad things to happen.

Change a few words, and same could be said for the Druchii of Warhammer or the Drow of D&D, and they're genuinely evil. Despite worshipping deities of untold cruelty or mystery in hauntingly beautiful cities mired in pain and intrigue, consorting openly with darker forces for power or the sheer joy of it to boot, they remain some of the most debonair of characters. This is true for the Dunmer, who also adore the Goddess Azura with unabashed love, and she is considered to be one of the most beautiful and charming beings in Nirn, at least when she's on her good side.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:03 pm

ARGH!!! seen so many mistakes in this thread


1: Dumner voices were not altered by ash. Evidence

- All the other races would have had raspy voices in morrowind.
- Non vardenfell dumner in tribunal/bloodmoon had raspy voices, If we went deeper, this would also mean that only ashlanders would have this voice
- According to lore- Dumner have Grey skin and red eyes because they were cursed. It's extremely likely that the raspy voice came with this curse too.

I want the raspy voice back... Get the original actor back or someone who can achieve the same effect... any secondary dumner voice should also be raspy.

2: on real world accents

-someone said that Australians had different accents. This is false. Australians sound the same from Perth to Melbourn. Intensity varies from individual to individual and old age can make australian women sound like parrots- but it's still much the same
- American accent's aren't "neutral" or at least more "neutral" than other accents made for English. Putting them in game en mass is a stupid idea.

3: other accent problems i have
- English accents are being used for theives/thalmor/badguys/easy to kill legionares. This shallow stereotyping is stupid.
- I miss morrowind's vampire voice- That scared the crap out of me.
- it would be good to give a japanese tinge to altmer/orsimer accents.
- I am not a fan of these huge budget voice actors. it's cheaper to find new talent.


Which American accent are you talking about? We've got New York accents, Boston/Northeast accent, Jersey accent, Southern accent, the Northern/Minnesota/Alaska accent, what could be called a "neutral" accent (how people talk in TV/movies), and probably a lot more I can't currently think of. Its like someone jammed ten countries into one here.

I quite enjoy the Orc accents. I think they're spot on for a rough and tough people. Khajiit and Argonian too, just no variety.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:02 am

I don't think the dunmer are high class sounding enough. They've got some bad cockney accents some.
That they're british sounding is ok, suits them. Sets them apart. Should be more british voices in games.
But I expected higher class.
Not sure what it is, I thought about it. A few sound cockney, which is wrong. Most seem a kind of soft regional accent.

But it's so much better than the parody oirish accents. They're not irish, they're oirish.
Have you heard the hideous f**khead piece of s**t Brynjolf?! Any more fake and cliched oirish and he'd be dancing a jig, wearing green, covered in clovers and drunk out of his skull on stout. That s**thog uses the word lass/lad so much you'd think he was at a Lassie convention. Condescending moron. Oh the violent, tortuous deaths I would give him, if I could. That b**tard would be dead on sight, every time I saw him. That a**hat is more fake and oirish than Atlas in Bioshock 1. And Atlas is clearly bull***t, deliberately.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:39 pm

I don't like much voice acting now a days. Fallout New Vegas had the best voice acting in a long time well for certain characters that is anyone remember the awesome voice acting of Fallout 1-2 and Baldur's Gate series, Icewind dale etc..
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:23 pm

Well in the Aussie accents defense they DO come from a screwed up Island nation with a lot of bizzare things that are nowhere else...

This made me laugh!

They do sound more australian than brittish to me
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:01 pm

Um....na, couldn't be that. Actually, honestly, that's probably it for me - BUT it's not truly American accents that grate on me, it's a type of American accent. When I began playing online games with voice chat, I was amazed to find that I only heard one or two annoying voices/accents out of the scores and scores of Americans I spoke to. I don't know what region or 'class' it belongs to, but there's a 'mainstream' American accent that I hear the most in entertainment (and also any time I happen upon an American tourist in London) and that's the accent that bugs me. I love East Coast accents (deliberately annoying Jersey Shore types aside) and have no issues with Southern accents or many of the accents I hear in people I speak to online. It's that 'whiny' accent that I'm willing to bet all non-Americans will be able to identify. Having said that, a thick New York accent would be tied too strongly to New York for me, likewise with a South Carolinian accent.

I agree with this ^


Sounds much more like Australian to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIVjs2pjVyI

Except that's not an Australian. It's some (probably American) actor trying to do an Australian accent and failing.

These are (boring) Australians...
http://www.youtube.com/user/NewsOnABC?ob=0&feature=results_main
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:07 pm

I don't know about ash making the voices raspy or what, but without their raspy voice they don't sound as badass as they look. Sort of mismatching for me.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:34 pm

In the demos for the game, the Dark Elf bandit in Bleak Falls Barrow sounded like the Dunmer sounded in Morrowind -- the right way. But ever since I played the game, I can't understand why they made them sound British again. This also made me dissapointed in Oblivion, where, in a demo, they sounded just like Morrowind's Dunmer -- the way they should sound -- but when I played the game, they (along with all other elves) sounded British. What happened to Jeff Baker(correct?)?

Edit: For those unfortunate enough to have not played Morrowind, here are the Dunmer voices.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG8OjKiGAvE

Edit 2: No, it's not from ash, as all races would have the raspy voice. Please read all posts before posting, or at least the vast majority.
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NOT THE ORCS!

idk if somebody else already said it, but orcs are technically elves, and they dont sound british :D there u go :D
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:07 am

NOT THE ORCS!

idk if somebody else already said it, but orcs are technically elves, and they dont sound british :biggrin: there u go :biggrin:

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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:32 pm

You really are not a person for fantasy, are you?

I've been reading/playing/watching fantasy for over 20 years.

I'm not a person for uninformed biases based around popular media.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:04 pm

Ahahaha great video :) !
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:58 am

But it's so much better than the parody oirish accents. They're not irish, they're oirish.
Have you heard the hideous f**khead piece of s**t Brynjolf?! Any more fake and cliched oirish and he'd be dancing a jig, wearing green, covered in clovers and drunk out of his skull on stout. That s**thog uses the word lass/lad so much you'd think he was at a Lassie convention. Condescending moron. Oh the violent, tortuous deaths I would give him, if I could. That b**tard would be dead on sight, every time I saw him. That a**hat is more fake and oirish than Atlas in Bioshock 1. And Atlas is clearly bull***t, deliberately.
Get off the fence, man. Say what you really mean! :biggrin:
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:27 pm

I think what is most important is continuity in the accents of characters from certain lands. If the Dark Elves sound British, that's fine with me, if they sound American, that's fine with me. If some of them sound American, some sound British, some sound Australian and some sound Chinese, well that would be silly :biggrin:

If I were choosing the voice actors I'd porbably go:

Altmer: British posh
Bosmer: American or British
Dunmer: American or British
Orsimer: ???
Imperial: Italian or British
Nord: Scandanavian of some kind or German
Redguard: Carribean or African of some sort
Khajiit: Arabic of some sort... with an effect
Breton: French
Argonian: God knows... with an effect
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:28 pm

^ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Altmer- Tiny japanese hint.
Bosmer- American and slightly annoying
Dunmer- THE RASPY DEATHLUNG VOICE
Orsimer- Slight east asian hint, rough, But the voice actors have to wear tusks
Nord- Scandinavian Scott (a mixture and not one or the other)
Redguard- African american.
Khajit- Spanish (skyrim does khajit most excellently, Although it would be good to do different types of khajit voices with influence from what that species looks like- A cathay rhat is A huge muscular khajit probably more lion like whilst a some of the smaller may sound siamese
Bretons- NOT FRENCH. A fairly neutral English accent would do well
Argonian - Like the khajit, voice should depend on what the species looks like.
Imperial- Mix the human races together.
Vampire- Bring back the demon voice from morrowind
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:15 am

I don't know about ash making the voices raspy or what, but without their raspy voice they don't sound as badass as they look. Sort of mismatching for me.

It is mismatched. Raspy voice, elegant dark elf.

And you can't say it's ash, because some are from Skyrim, all their lives. No ash there.
And sayng it's ash caused is ridiculous and illogical.

Some of the males sound like they've got bad smoking habits, lol.

Dark Elf 1 Hi, what are you doing?
Dark Elf 2 Smoking a whole packet of cigarettes.
DE1 Cool, I'm smoking 10 cigars. A day.
DE3 Hi, just been smoking the hokah, for 3 hours.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:09 pm

^ NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Altmer- Tiny japanese hint.
Bosmer- American and slightly annoying
Dunmer- THE RASPY DEATHLUNG VOICE
Orsimer- Slight east asian hint, rough, But the voice actors have to wear tusks
Nord- Scandinavian Scott (a mixture and not one or the other)
Redguard- African american.
Khajit- Spanish (skyrim does khajit most excellently, Although it would be good to do different types of khajit voices with influence from what that species looks like- A cathay rhat is A huge muscular khajit probably more lion like whilst a some of the smaller may sound siamese
Bretons- NOT FRENCH. A fairly neutral English accent would do well
Argonian - Like the khajit, voice should depend on what the species looks like.
Imperial- Mix the human races together.
Vampire- Bring back the demon voice from morrowind

Agreed.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 1:44 am

I think personally that a British accent sounds a bit less out of place for the setting than an American accent, but I do prefer the Morrowind voice actor. They either had that guy just do a bit of dialog for the purposes of the demo video... which is kind of svcky. Or they had him do all the voice work then redo it with another actor... which is just stupid. The same with the two Scandanavian actors that they had redo all the nord voices.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:45 pm


Khajit- Spanish (skyrim does khajit most excellently, Although it would be good to do different types of khajit voices with influence from what that species looks like- A cathay rhat is A huge muscular khajit probably more lion like whilst a some of the smaller may sound siamese

I definitely prefer the current Romanian accents on the Khajiit, given their Gypsy-esque looks.
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Post » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:25 pm

They should have made all the voice acting neutral american. That way, threads like this wouldn't exist. Let's just say the voice acting part was played by a British accented person.

Since when the American accent is neutral?
The Texan accent is different to the New York accent which is different to Californian accent.
Look at the English where the language came from. They have different accents still speak the from same tongue. The only difference is the spelling and its a nation on a island.
The Australian are different. Yes we do speak English and our spelling is the same as England. Unlike England and USA no matter what city in Australia we are, Darwin, Perth and Hobart we sound the same. Australia is a big country, only little bit smaller then USA and a lot bigger the England. Only little bit of difference we get in out accents depends where our parents came from. We get our parents accent mixed in the Australian accent. But no matter where we are Bundaberg, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne or Hobart no matter where our parents came from we all sound the same.
Look at New Zealand they all sound the same but we cannot understand them ;). Must be the eggs or the six they have on bed.
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Post » Thu Jun 14, 2012 12:40 am

Since when the American accent is neutral?
The Texan accent is different to the New York accent which is different to Californian accent.
Look at the English where the language came from. They have different accents still speak the from same tongue. The only difference is the spelling and its a nation on a island.
The Australian are different. Yes we do speak English and our spelling is the same as England. Unlike England and USA no matter what city in Australia we are, Darwin, Perth and Hobart we sound the same. Australia is a big country, only little bit smaller then USA and a lot bigger the England. Only little bit of difference we get in out accents depends where our parents came from. We get our parents accent mixed in the Australian accent. But no matter where we are Bundaberg, Brisbane, Sydney, Melbourne or Hobart no matter where our parents came from we all sound the same.
Look at New Zealand they all sound the same but we cannot understand them :wink:. Must be the eggs or the six they have on bed.

There is technically a "General American" dialect, which is the standard American dialect that actors learn for proper pronunciation and placement as an "American". It's much like "British". No one actually speaks that way except actors.
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